From: dnomhcir@gmx.com   
      
   D  writes:   
      
   > On Sat, 15 Mar 2025, Richmond wrote:   
   >   
   >> D  writes:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 15 Mar 2025, Richmond wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> D  writes:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> certain about the words you are reading, or the thoughts you are   
   >>>>> thinking.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Why does doubting your senses mean that you doubt your thoughts? Are   
   >>>> thoughts sensed? Where is the boundary between yourself, and the   
   >>>> external world?   
   >>>   
   >>> It is rather the reverse actually. Why shouldn't you doubt your   
   >>> thoughts, if you doubt your senses? If some evil demon messes with   
   >>> your sensory input, he can just as well add thoughts to your thoughts,   
   >>> or play all kinds of tricks with you.   
   >>   
   >> Doubt is a thought. But I know there are such things as   
   >> hallucinations. Are there such things as hallucinated thoughts? What's   
   >> the difference between an hallucinated thought and a real one?   
   >>   
   >> Senses are different from thoughts, we know that, as we can tell   
   >> generally which things come from senses and which from thoughts.   
   >   
   > Have you ever calculated wrong? Or didn't think out the implications   
   > of your thoughts, or reached the wrong conclusion, only to realize   
   > later, oh, that was not right, this is the right conclusion?   
      
   Yes, but those are mistakes, not hallucinations.   
      
   >   
   > Examples of thinking gone wrong. Another way is if your sensory input   
   > is messed with, that could be by rearranged electrons in your brain,   
   > and since that can also be thoughts, the evil entity could also do   
   > that.   
   >   
      
   Perhaps if I were delirious I might think things which make no sense to   
   my non-delirious self.   
      
   >>>   
   >>> Doubting one, and not the other is not consistent thinking.   
   >>   
   >> It is, just because you doubt one thing, it doesn't mean you have to   
   >> doubt everything.   
   >   
   > Can be. It depends on why you doubt. Generally doubting ones senses   
   > implies that your thoughts also cannot be trusted if you believe in   
   > some evil entity that has that power. It follows logically that it can   
   > rearrange atoms on one level, it could equally rearrange electrons at   
   > another location, that is in your brain.   
   >   
   > If the entity is the one that runs the simulation, of which your brain   
   > is a part, it means he can rearrange every single bit in every single   
   > memory cell, to make an analogy from technology.   
      
   Doubt is a thought. So if you doubt your thoughts then you doubt that   
   you doubt. You really are done for, completely lost in that case.   
      
   I accept though that senses are processed by the brain, so if you are   
   seeing things for example, it is your brain which is at fault probably,   
   not your eyes.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)