From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Sun, 16 Mar 2025, Richmond wrote:   
      
   >> Have you ever calculated wrong? Or didn't think out the implications   
   >> of your thoughts, or reached the wrong conclusion, only to realize   
   >> later, oh, that was not right, this is the right conclusion?   
   >   
   > Yes, but those are mistakes, not hallucinations.   
      
   I think the senses are meant by hallucinations, perhaps not the best concept to   
   use.   
      
   >>   
   >> Examples of thinking gone wrong. Another way is if your sensory input   
   >> is messed with, that could be by rearranged electrons in your brain,   
   >> and since that can also be thoughts, the evil entity could also do   
   >> that.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Perhaps if I were delirious I might think things which make no sense to   
   > my non-delirious self.   
      
   You have never done that when drunk? Alcohol affects your thinking, and drugs   
   as   
   well, you might "hallucinate" things due to a drug, and in reality it was all   
   in   
   your mind.   
      
   >> If the entity is the one that runs the simulation, of which your brain   
   >> is a part, it means he can rearrange every single bit in every single   
   >> memory cell, to make an analogy from technology.   
   >   
   > Doubt is a thought. So if you doubt your thoughts then you doubt that   
   > you doubt. You really are done for, completely lost in that case.   
      
   This is exactly my point. If you doubt your senses, you are doubting electrons   
   in your brain, and you should in order to be consistent, doubt your thoughts   
   about what you see, and as you rightly point out, you doubt your doubt, and on   
   into solipsism it goes.   
      
   That is what I mean when I say that we can be 100% of an external world, but   
   taking our senses as proof, together with things such as the success of   
   science.   
      
   Because if you cannot trust your senses, you cannot trust your brain and your   
   mind either. Everything collapses into doubt, and communication (and debate)   
   becomes meaningless.   
      
   > I accept though that senses are processed by the brain, so if you are   
   > seeing things for example, it is your brain which is at fault probably,   
   > not your eyes.   
      
   Do you accept, by extension, that since the brain is at fault, for instance if   
   you take a drug, your thoughts could also be doubted?   
      
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