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   oldernow to Ed Cryer   
   Re: Secondary brains   
   17 Mar 25 14:55:56   
   
   From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2025-03-16, Ed Cryer  wrote:   
      
   > You seem to me to be fighting for a widely held   
   > philosophical idea;   
      
   On my end it feels like calmly stating the obvious.   
      
   > that mind is on its own, uncaused, unattached and free as   
   > the wind swell.  OK, so I won't take you up on that. As   
   > John Milton put it "the mind is its own place, and in   
   > itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven".   
      
   "When could I have been born,   
    I who am the conceiver of time itself?   
      
    Where could I live,   
    I who conceive the space wherein all things extend?   
      
    How could I die,   
    I who conceive the birth, life, and death of all things,   
      
    I who, conceiving, cannot be conceived?"   
      
                       ~ Wei Wu Wei (Posthumous Pieces)   
      
   > But that seems to be the end of your campaign.   
      
   The seeming campaign is confined to your re-presentation   
   of what you believe to be reality.   
      
   > A battle in the realm of metaphysics; a battle to establish   
   > the autonomy of mind.   
      
   Now it's a battle? My oh my, what wondrous drama your   
   re-presentation of what you believe to be reality contains!   
      
   > Me, I love battling. But I'd never battle to be alone. I   
   > fight for my rights; my convictions; my political   
   > goals. They keep me in the world, attached to other people.   
      
   It's quite amazing how amazing you are in your   
   re-presentation of what you believe to be reality!   
      
   > I won't fight for empiricism, I won't fight for idealism,   
   > I won't fight to grind myself into a corner. Philosophy   
   > is interesting, but it's a hobby, not an ideology.   
      
   How about just quietly doing it instead of making a big   
   announcement about it for ego's sake?   
      
   --   
   NPC's dutifully ignored.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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