From: dnomhcir@gmx.com
D writes:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2025, Richmond wrote:
>
>> D writes:
>>
>>> Yes! You can use the evidence of your senses to know what is real.
>>
>> And your senses cannot detect x-rays. So you must refuse x-rays when
>> in hospital.
>>
>> ;]
>
> No, my statement does not say I have to refuse anything. Yes, I cannot
> see x-rays, so for me, day to day, they do not exist. However... and
> this is an important however... the empirical, measurable effects of
> x-rays, is something I can see or notice, and that is why they are
> "A-OK" in my book! =)
>
> To give you another, theoretical example. Let's say we postulate
> something called XX-rays. We have come to know them through
> theoretical inference, and they make no effect on the world, we cannot
> detect them, they don't do anything, they don't cause anything. They
> cannot, and their effects cannot, be seen or felt in any way.
>
> Yes! I would one hundred percent, regard them as nonsense when it
> comes to empirical things in the world.
>
> Does that make things a bit more clear? =)
If you had been around in 1915, and read about Einstein's theory which
predicted black holes, and also predicted they would be undetectable,
you would have dismissed them as nonsense. Even Einstein doubted
them. They were thought to be undetectable and not interact with their
surroundings. So you would have gone on Usenet and denounced them as
nonsense, and then you would have to go back in 1971 and admit you were
wrong, when ironically, they were found emitting x-rays.
So, this proves that when things are predicted by a theory to have no
effect and not be detectable in any way, that in itself is not proof
that they are nonsense.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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