From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Wed, 26 Mar 2025, Richmond wrote:   
      
   > D  writes:   
   >   
   >> On Wed, 26 Mar 2025, Richmond wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> oldernow  writes:   
   >>>   
   >>>> The seeming objective world/universe is an illusion, aka   
   >>>   
   >>> How do you know?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> And how do you stop the infinite regression of doubt? You do seem   
   >> pretty active here, so from a purely behavioural point of view, you do   
   >> at least seem to acknowledge external people. But we've been over   
   >> this, so I do not expect a coherent reply. =)   
   >   
   > Choosing to believe something is true because you have no choice, or   
   > because you wish to avoid solipsism or whatever, isn't the same as   
   > knowing. It isn't logical, it's merely pragmatic.   
      
   Not quite. If you have evidence for a real world, yet choose to doubt   
   everything, you are no longer being reasonable, and that abandons   
   reasonable discussion as a way to knowledge and truth. True, you are free   
   to believe what you want, but that excludes any form of rational   
   discussion, if you choose to disregard arguments and evidence.   
      
   > You could for example say "here is a hand, and here is another", hold   
   > them out before you, see them, and then wake up and discover you were   
   > dreaming and not even looking at your hands. So it isn't an argument for   
   > anything, it is just the denial of an argument.   
      
   Incorrect. If I see my hand or a coffee cup on the table, that is proof of   
   an external world. If I wake up, I then update my mental model. I think   
   the vast majority of people are capable of telling the difference between   
   their hands, and hands in a dream, so I don't really see the point of your   
   argument.   
      
   I suspect I misunderstand your point. I apologize for that.   
      
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