From: dnomhcir@gmx.com   
      
   D  writes:   
      
   > On Wed, 26 Mar 2025, Richmond wrote:   
   >   
   >> D  writes:   
   >>   
   >>> No, my statement does not say I have to refuse anything. Yes, I cannot   
   >>> see x-rays, so for me, day to day, they do not exist. However... and   
   >>> this is an important however... the empirical, measurable effects of   
   >>> x-rays, is something I can see or notice, and that is why they are   
   >>> "A-OK" in my book! =)   
   >>   
   >> Oh and I forgot to mention, this is begging the question. If they don't   
   >> exist, how can they have measurable effects? You don't know what causes   
   >> the effects. You decided to believe what you read in a book.   
   >   
   > Nope... I can be very empirical about the effects, while being   
   > agnostic about the underlying causes. Check out the empirical adequacy   
   > concept by Bas van Frassen   
   > (https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2017/entries/construct   
   ve-empiricism/#EmpiAdeq).   
   >   
   > No question begging as far as I can see.   
      
   See my later post. But there is an inconsistency, maybe accidental. You   
   say x-rays don't exist, then you say you are agnostic about them. But   
   really, for something to cause something else, it must exist. And if you   
   don't know what causes the effect, then you don't know it is an   
   x-ray. Nothing in the effect tells you about the cause, because you   
   can't observe the cause. So it is not cause, it is prediction. It might   
   as well be clockwork gear wheels.   
      
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