From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Thu, 27 Mar 2025, Ed Cryer wrote:   
      
   >> Of course not! I pass judgment. My point is that killing is not inherently   
   >> wrong. It is just an act. What makes it wrong is our human, subjective   
   >> judgment of killing.   
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   >> Sorry for being unclear about that.   
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   >>> Ed   
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   > I'm sorry to say this, D, after all your stringent efforts to support logical   
   > positivism, but your moral stance seems ivory-towerish to me; rather like   
      
   I'm sorry for being unclear Ed. =( My stance has nothing to do with logical   
   positivism. Check out constructive empiricism is you're interested. It's   
   probably the closest to my stance.   
      
   > oldernow's abstention from reality.   
   > The thing about actual lived life in a community is that you have to act;   
      
   I have not argued against acting.   
      
   > leaders aren't chosen from people who say wait for further irrefutable   
   > evidence, not while the opposition is acting. And that means you need a moral   
   > code, a manifesto to uphold.   
      
   Definitely. I argued for that it is subjective, and not based on "moral   
   particles" in the world. Nothing I said is incompatible with having a moral   
   code.   
      
   The fact that someone does something wrong, does not mean I am obliged to do   
   something wrong. I think pacifism is a great example. Two wrongs does not make   
   one right.   
      
   > Of course "our human, subjective judgment of killing" makes it wrong, but   
   > whose subjective judgement are we waiting for?   
      
   Yours, mine, or whom ever is involved in the decision.   
      
   > Going back to the Hitler youth who stopped a Russian tank, I commend him. He   
   > did good. Yes, I know the Third Reich cause was evil, I know what history has   
   > revealed about it all. But that young lad did right; he defended what he   
   > thought was right. He acted in defence, while the enemy moved in.   
      
   Ok. I have no quarrel with your opinion. I do not understand, you seem to be   
   upset. I think maybe you misunderstood my point.   
      
   > Ed   
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