From: dnomhcir@gmx.com   
      
   oldernow  writes:   
      
      
   >> Why assume thoughts are thoughts?   
   >   
   > Because symbols tend to be equal to themselves.   
   >   
   > Programmatically:   
   >   
   > thoughts == thoughts   
   >   
   > (where '==' indicates equality)   
      
   Well, if you want to be programmatic. How do you know *thoughts is   
   pointing to thoughts?   
      
   Or to put it another way, how do you know the things you think are   
   thoughts are actually thoughts?   
      
   >   
   > One can actually tell by the spelling. See how each symbol   
   > has the same number of the same letters in the same order?   
   >   
   > FWIW, beer is beer too.   
      
   And sarcasm is sarcasm.   
      
   >   
   >> They might be objective reality.   
   >   
   > They might *represent* aspects of an alleged objective   
   > reality, the way shadows represent alleged objects, but   
   > are in fact the contrast of light blocked by an alleged   
   > object (i.e.  absence of light) with light not blocked   
   > by the same alleged object.   
   >   
   > The shadows are not the objects, most certainly can be   
   > taken to be the objects by an observer whose perspective   
   > hasn't risen above their belief that the shadows are   
   > the objects.   
      
   Why 'risen above' and not 'fallen below'?   
      
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