From: dnomhcir@gmx.com   
      
   D  writes:   
      
   >> It really isn't a meaningless question. You only need to theorise a   
   >> bit, just in the way you do about electrons. We use tools to predict   
   >> the future, why not use tools to recreate the past?   
   >   
   > Well, for entertainment purposes I have no quarrel with that. =) But   
   > for the purpose of this discussion, and utility, as in experiment,   
   > verification/falsification, I don't really see the point.   
   >   
      
   How would we have any conception of time if we did not recreate the past   
   from the present?   
      
   Scientists do it all the time. They worked out what had happened all the   
   way back to the big bang and possibly before, based on the evidence of   
   cosmic background radiation and quantum theories. Maybe there is no   
   point, or maybe curiosity is a point in itself.   
      
   Personally I always thought time was subjective. Scientists have gone   
   the long way around and concluded it is not fundamental, but an emergent   
   property. But that certainly saves worrying about why it all started.   
      
   >   
   > This is the truth. My theory is that as we "dig deeper" we become more   
   > and more mathematical and eventually, as in the multiple world   
   > interpretation, we lose all empirical feedback loops. That's why I   
   > prefer to say that we hit a limit, and I choose to remain agnostic. It   
   > becomes unknowable. All we specifically have, are measurements and   
   > equations, and I think at the moment, we simply lack the language to   
   > make sense of them at our common day level of experience.   
   >   
      
   You never know though where a theory is going to take you. Who would   
   have guessed that quantum uncertainties would explain why there are   
   galaxies? Who would have predicted something like quantum entanglement?   
      
   And now we have a theory, because of quantum entanglement and its being   
   apparently inexplicable, that the way we see objects is particular to us   
   and our relation to the object, and not particular to the object   
   itself. So it has all gone back in a circle to a subjective/objective   
   world.   
      
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