From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2025-03-31, D  wrote:   
      
   > No, I think you misunderstand me. Yes, electrons are tools,   
   > mental tools or abstractions we use to reason. But they   
   > have properties which we can measure.   
      
   Ah, so they're whatever someone believes they are. Got it.   
      
   > Electrons are fundamental particles with specific   
   > properties, including mass, charge, spin, and wave-particle   
   > duality. While their properties can be described in terms   
   > of energy and wave functions, they are not purely composed   
   > of energy.   
   >   
   > So we can measure the properties, although we cannot see   
   > the "electron".  Does that make it more clear?   
      
   I think so. They're essentially whatever a given theorist   
   needs them to be to keep related theories from becoming   
   *too* blatantly embarrassing.   
      
   > True. It was an example of how one might deduce from the   
   > behaviour of a buried corpse, so speculate that dinosaurs   
   > are also remains, although fossilized.   
      
   Speculation is clearly foundational in "science".   
      
   > No, because we explain how leaves grow on trees through   
   > biology and chemistry, so god is not necessary.   
      
   Do you equate "we explain" with "we know"?   
      
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