From: dnomhcir@gmx.com   
      
   D  writes:   
      
   > Electrons are fundamental particles with specific properties,   
   > including mass, charge, spin, and wave-particle duality. While their   
   > properties can be described in terms of energy and wave functions,   
   > they are not purely composed of energy.   
   >   
   > So we can measure the properties, although we cannot see the   
   > "electron". Does that make it more clear?   
      
   I read up about measuring the properties: Millikan’s Oil Drop Experiment   
   (1909-1913) – Measuring e. But what he actually measured was an oil   
   drop, and he did the rest by theory, calculation, and assumption.   
      
      
   > But... you are of course welcome to use the word "god" instead of   
   > electron, and the theory of electrons, chemistry etc. would work, and   
   > you would have shown that god is a mental tool, a component of a   
   > theory, and he has charge, mass, spin etc.   
   >   
   > Hardly everyones definition of god, but why not? ;)   
   >   
   > If you are talking about the common definition of god, he is by   
   > definition outside of our reality, and has no properties that can be   
   > measured. Those are all part of the world.   
      
   It must have come as a shock to all concerned then, when he told Moses   
   to take his shoes off. ;]   
      
   But I think God is defined to have created the world, which is quite   
   definitely an empirical event.   
      
   The question, as with electrons, is could there be some other   
   explanation?   
      
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