From: newyana@invalid.nospam   
      
   On 4/18/2025 7:34 AM, Anton Shepelev wrote:   
   > Followup-To: alt.philosophy   
   >   
   > Newyana2:   
   >   
   >> Do we perceive consciousness? That seems questionable.   
   >> "I think, therefore I am" is a desperate grasping at ground,   
   >> not an observation.   
   >   
   > Not only do I think, but I know and feel that I think.  Were   
   > there no "me", who whould feel and know?  I consider it an   
   > observatino of one's self -- a feat of which only   
   > consciousness is capable.   
   >   
      
      Yet that can only be a conceptual construct. The   
   eye can't see the eye. To posit an objective point   
   of observation from which you see yourself think   
   is purely imagination. Otherwise there would be two   
   entities: That which thinks and that which sees it think   
   from an external vantage point that sees that thinking   
   self in a larger context.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)