From: x@x.org   
      
   On 11/11/25 04:35, oldernow wrote:   
   > On 2025-11-11, x  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Once upon a time   
   >>   
   >> There was the mantra ...   
   >>   
   >> Don't think   
   >> Don't sense   
   >> Don't worry   
   >> Don't feel   
   >>   
   >> But if life is a dream   
   >>   
   >> Then does not the dreaming make it a reality?   
   >   
   > Seemingly to those for whom it does.   
   >   
   >> So if the mantra is true then is that not worse   
   >> than if it were false?   
   >   
   > What makes the mantra true or false?   
   >   
   > Is it not believing the mantra is true or false?   
   >   
   > Why agonize over it being some alleged objective   
   > reality or another when it's clearly merely what   
   > it's believed to be?   
   >   
   >> So what is the point?  Does there need to be   
   >> a point?  Is the dreaming the whole purpose?   
   >> So does it matter if usenet is real or not?   
   >> Maybe not ...   
   >   
   > What is "a point"? From the context (which   
   > includes the reader's beliefs about the meanings   
   > of the words used), "a point" is sounding like   
   > "a way to put - aka re-present - it".   
   >   
   > Does saying    
   > equals  ever   
   > accomplish much save in mind, which is (haha)   
   > arguably hallucination?   
      
   So 'hallucination' is a matter of belief?   
      
   If you say the word 'false' as in 'false idea'   
   it is not true?  It is true?   
      
   But if you say the word 'hallucination' as   
   in 'diseased idea' then it is not true?  It   
   is true?   
      
   If you say the word 'science' as in 'science idea'   
   it is true, false?   
      
   If you say the word 'theism' or 'religion' or 'atheism'   
   or 'science' it is true?  Not true?  So is religion   
   supposed to be evil and science good, or is science   
   supposed to be evil and religion good?  But if you   
   choose sides, then is that 'diabolis'?  But is you   
   start going into words then 'devil' mutates into   
   'daemon' into 'devi' or 'deity' if you start talking   
   about different words in different languages.  Then   
   there is 'technical jargon' in 'science'.  If you   
   can not spell the word 'Alzheimer' without looking   
   it up then you can be sent to prison until you die?   
   What crime or law has one broken other than being   
   unable to spell the word 'technical jargon'?  Is   
   that a house of care that you can not leave?  But   
   why?  Because some people 'worship' or 'believe'   
   in 'science'?  Is there really any difference between   
   'science' and 'religion'?  There is the 'rational',   
   and then to borrow from a bag of curses, not quite   
   'damn' but 'DSM' there is the term 'rationalization'.   
   It is not quite 'reason', whatever that means.   
   So 'truth' was once 'theos' but now truth is   
   beyond 'lies', it is 'jibberish'?  Is that 'science',   
   is that 'religion'?  Who really knows?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)