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|    Choosing bad examples    |
|    08 Nov 03 14:59:46    |
      From: qqqq@7600.net              Why must supposedly liberal media, celebrities, etc.       frequently choose bad example cases, sometimes the       very least appropriate cases, to champion as their       rallying point? I guess really this isn't a left/right       issue; once you start thinking about it, conservatives       have been known to try making their case with less valid       examples too. Of course, the premiere stupidity is       Mumia Abu-Jamal. I mean c'mon. He may very well be a       poster child for some theory about how black men do       themselves in by suffering under the weight of a racist       system and then dealing with it by lashing out self-       destructively rather than finding more positive approaches.       But the man said, "I shot the motherfucker and I hope he       dies". And he's a poster child for ... unfair trials?       An unfair society, maybe. But why pick a guy the DA had       dead to rights, or at least very nearly so, and try to       sell the idea he was wrongly convicted?              This post was triggered by another one of these I saw on       a program a friend had recorded on the effects of 9/11       and government initiatives on civil liberties. One       segment detailed the "horrible mistreatment" of four       Canadian citizens of arabic descent who decided to try       visiting the States shortly after 9/11. When asked by       US Customs where they were going, they said they planned       to see a friend in New York, and casually mentioned they       might also visit Ground Zero. This resulted in a very       intensive and intrusive 15-hour search and interrogation,       which they felt was uncalled-for considering they hadn't       broken any laws, and studiously remained polite, cooperative,       and obedient throughout.              The problem, it seems, is that they failed to take any       account of the fact that some things are just so likely       to be taken the wrong way that you don't want to even       say them. This was one of those times.              The cops definitely overreacted, and if it had been a       street stop it would have been much more problematic.       But you know when you ask to cross a border that you       may be subject to an intense inquiry into things you       don't normally get asked. I learned this early on       driving into Canada, when the customs agent wanted to       know that I had the means to support myself during my       visit, and demanded I open my wallet and show him my       money. That's not something you usually do for a       stranger. It's not even something I've heard come up       during routine street stops, at least prior to an arrest.       Afterwards, of course, is a different matter.              Well, that's my ramble for now. I guess I'm just frustrated       that on issues I'd like to see explored seriously and       carefully, the public discussion is so frequently       unthoughtful. That's what I really liked about       _Bowling for Columbine_. Michael Moore worked pretty       deeply through the issues, exposed the too-easy answers       for what they were, and while he did sort of reach a       conclusion by the end (yes on gun control), it was       presented with all the evidence, including balancing       evidence against, so he wasn't just shoving it down       your throat as THE answer, but rather as his personal       recommendation after he admitted that there was a       counterargument as well. That's getting rarer and rarer       these days.              More on _Bowling_ later. I finally saw it last night,       and my thought are still jelling.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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