From: Barking@The.Moon   
      
   You mean, all the more reason we need socialism.   
      
      
      
   > Yep, conviction is definitely a black strike against you.  All the   
   > more reason these women need vocational training.   
      
      
      
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   > On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 03:08:44 GMT, "Critter"  wrote:   
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   > >Thats great. Certifications which nobody cares about.   
   > >   
   > >Key word - "employment screening".   
   > >   
   > >If certifications mattered, then they would be doing background checks   
   for   
   > >certifications. I have a BS and I could wipe my ass with it for all the   
   good   
   > >it'll do me. You dont get ahead in the US by working your ass off every   
   > >day - you get ahead by being the son of so-and-so, the daughter of   
   > >whats-her-name, the brother of whats-his-face, or the buddy of a   
   somebody.   
   > >It is the result of putting everything up for sale or trade, including   
   jobs.   
   > >   
   > >Jobs are treated like a commodity. It would be easier to find a gram of   
   dope   
   > >than a decent job. Go figure.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >> Read again, Critter.  These ladies are receiving certifications.   
   > >   
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   > >> On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:48:08 GMT, "Critter"  wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >> >> I think this is wonderful.  Anything, well, almost anything beats   
   the   
   > >day   
   > >> >> in, day out monotony of prison life.  A change of scenery is great,   
   and   
   > >if   
   > >> >> it helps them learn a skill and challenges them abit too, then   
   that's   
   > >also   
   > >> >> great.   
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   > >> >It has only one functional purpose today - to keep inmates busy. The   
   very   
   > >> >idea that they will better themselves through gainful employment is a   
   > >MYTH,   
   > >> >little more than a FANTASY. There are many felons who will find jobs,   
   but   
   > >> >they WILL be bounced around from place to place like pingpong balls,   
   and   
   > >> >many more will simply not find jobs.   
   > >> >   
   > >> >Well, to rephrase, they will "find" plenty of jobs, but they will not   
   > >> >actually get "hired" for any of them regardless of qualifications,   
   > >abilities   
   > >> >or potential.   
   > >> >   
   > >> >This is corporate policy, and this is law. These policies and   
   attitudes   
   > >have   
   > >> >gradually crystallized over many many years of wars, unrest, riots,   
   > >slavery,   
   > >> >etc etc etc. This is probably the origin of many of the silly   
   licensing   
   > >> >requirements as well, such as chauffers licenses, barbers license,   
   > >> >bartenders license, etc. As long as a license is required for these   
   > >> >occupations, they can effectively prohibit you from owning your own   
   > >> >business - forcing you into poverty and hopefully death (evidently).   
   > >> >   
   > >> >I think that it lends a lot of insight into a whole new dimension of   
   > >> >historical attitudes, and how people in the US have practiced   
   capitalism.   
   > >> >There are really 2 sides to the coin. One the one hand you would like   
   to   
   > >> >become as wealthy as possible, but the flip side of the coin is that   
   > >there   
   > >> >is a tendency to try to drive others deeply into poverty out of spite.   
   > >> >Economists have ignored this phenomena - but it is very real. There is   
   a   
   > >> >clear motivation to prevent ex-cons from ever working again.   
   Economists   
   > >are   
   > >> >in DENIAL if they do not recognize this cruelty, and it's impact on   
   the   
   > >> >economy. Talk about going to college to get stupid.   
   > >> >   
   > >> >There are hundreds of things which economists look at to guage the   
   health   
   > >of   
   > >> >the economy. Unemployment claims, profitability, productivity,   
   consumer   
   > >> >confidence, etc etc etc. But, I do not believe that anyone has ever   
   > >> >recognized the phenomena of "employment deprivation" or "advancement   
   > >> >repression" when practiced against millions of people. Certainly   
   people   
   > >have   
   > >> >complained about it enough with respect to EEOC matters for   
   minorities,   
   > >> >women, etc, but they dont want to admit that it is an important or   
   > >relevant   
   > >> >metric in macroeconomics. I think that they need to stop lying to   
   > >> >themselves.   
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