From: ron.sam{please-remove}@cox.net   
      
   It is as I have always maintained.   
      
   The Crimm is incapable of making the logical connection between HIS OWN   
   ACTIONS WHICH HE FREELY MADE and the CONSEQUNECES of those same actions.   
      
   You guys can whine and bellyache, sniff and ballyhoo, stutter and   
   perpetuate.....   
   You can call us Absolutist/Authoritarians.   
   You can refer to us as Jack Booted Thugs.   
      
   But in the end, it all comes down to the same basic notion:   
      
   When you fuck up, you're going to pay the consequences for it.  It is true   
   in ALL THINGS.  With every decision we make, we create a balance sheet of   
   advantages and disadvantages.  When the CEO makes the wrong call and orders   
   a product line developed that flops, he pays a price.  When George Sr. tells   
   the Country, "Read my lips, No new taxes..." and then allows the Dems to   
   raise taxes, he pays the price.  When that little hottie in High School lets   
   everybody have a whack at her yammie, then finds out later that nobody wants   
   a serious relationship with her, she pays the price.  When I buy a car I   
   really can't afford, I pay the price.  And when you break the law, YOU pay   
   the price.   
      
   Some of the price may be incarceration.  That sanction is sought by the   
   State.  And some of the price is a stigma that you carry until you are able   
   to prove is otherwise inconsequential.  Believe me, if you stumbled upon a   
   legitimate way to make people massive money, nobody would care you were an   
   ex-con.   
      
   So much like your position that it is illegal to use a person's felony   
   record as a deciding factor for hiring in the State of Wisconsin (which has   
   already been show to be incorrect), or your position that ghettos can be   
   eliminated in this Country by forcing all employers to hire ex-cons (which   
   is patently absurd), or your position that you are able to see people's   
   genitalia through a brick wall (except if it is lead lined, no doubt), or   
   your position that I have stated many times that, "Convicts deserve to be   
   raped in prison", which you were unable to prove by citing any kind of   
   evidence.....   
      
   YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT ON THIS LEFTY!   
      
   And what's worse, you're getting dangerously close to being nothing more   
   than another Vadic/D E M I G O D/Stewart Conner clown.  You're better than   
   this, and certainly more creative.  Get your head out of your ass and stop   
   bellyaching like a pussy!  I thought you were a Marine, for Christ's sake.   
   You were taught to adapt and overcome.  Quit wallowing in self pity, get   
   your ass off your computer, and get there and make a difference in   
   somebody's stinking life!   
      
   Rant over....and I'm done with this topic.   
      
      
      
   "Critter"  wrote in message   
   news:wPRtb.170050$ao4.550123@attbi_s51...   
   >   
   > > > I'll answer your question completely - but first you must answer mine,   
   > > > because I have been asking it longer, and you have been evading it   
   since   
   > > > before I began evading yours.   
   > > >   
   > > > And that question is simply - WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PROSECUTE   
   CRIMES,   
   > > AND   
   > > > ADMINISTER PUNISHMENTS ??? Is it the government, or is it just a   
   > > > free-for-all ?   
   > >   
   > > Simple answer:   
   > > Only the Government can prosecute crimms.   
   >   
   >   
   > Thank you. You see, I was under the impression that only the government   
   > could punish for offenses against state, federal or local laws. Thank you   
   > for affirming this.   
   >   
   > Similarly, who could make a war in the name of the US against another   
   nation   
   > ? No citizen has this power.   
   >   
   > Similarly, who is authorized to mint his own currency, even if it exactly   
   > resembles US currency ? No citizen has this power.   
   >   
   > Similarly, what man is authorized to punish another for crimes against the   
   > state ? No citizen has this authority.   
   >   
   > Thank you.   
   >   
   >   
   > > Denying you employment because I don't care for your past is my right in   
   a   
   > > Capitalist society.  And this is where you just don't seem to get it.   
   The   
   > > Government does not have the right to tell me whom I may and whom I must   
   > > hire.  If you want a Government that controls business to that degree,   
   > then   
   > > I suggest you continue to elect Democrats to office.  It will only be a   
   > > question of time before we rename this place Walden III.   
   >   
   >   
   > In many states, you are right. Discrimination is perfectly legal, and even   
   > in states like Wisconsin it is extremely widespread despite the law -   
   > interestingly.   
   >   
   > The question becomes, if the economic apparatus is creating poverty and   
   > ghettos, primarily out of impunity, then are they not responsibel for the   
   > formation of those ghettos and all the crime which comes with them ? Does   
   > this not also implicate government and business as co-conspirators   
   > CATEGORICALLY in each and every instance of crime which may result from   
   this   
   > process ?   
   >   
   > Why is it that there are laws against dumping toxic waste into the soil,   
   but   
   >  hate may be poured freely upon as many people as you wish ?   
   >   
   >   
   > > > If I think that my neighbor is a thief then under the current system I   
   > can   
   > > > go out and shoot him in the head, because the administration of   
   > punishment   
   > > > is just a free-for-all ??? Employers and government are 2 different   
   > > > entities. Employers are private. I am also private. Therefore, since   
   > > > employers are allowed to punish so can you and I. The law becomes   
   moot.   
   > Do   
   > > > you see the problem here ??   
   > >   
   > > Nope.  I see a man intentionally warping logic to fit his agenda.  YOU   
   > HAVE   
   > > NO RIGHT TO A JOB ANYWHERE.  And you certainly have no RIGHT to DEMAND   
   > that   
   > > anyone hires you.   
   >   
   >   
   > I have no right and I WANT NO RIGHT, nor have I twisted logic other than   
   to   
   > straighten it out. I make NO demands to be employed. My only demand is   
   that   
   > the guilty parties accept responsibility for what they have created, and   
   > that what they have created is in fact a driving force - an undercurrent   
   > which FORCES crimes to occur and they know it.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > > > PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION, WAITING FOR AN ANSWER FOR OVER 2 YEARS   
   NOW.   
   > >   
   > > You got it.  Now it's your turn.  Answer mine.   
   >   
   >   
   > Insufficient information to be considered a real answer, please try again.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
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