From: Barking@The.Moon   
      
   > The Crimm is incapable of making the logical connection between HIS OWN   
   > ACTIONS WHICH HE FREELY MADE and the CONSEQUNECES of those same actions.   
      
      
   Negative, see below -   
      
      
   > You guys can whine and bellyache, sniff and ballyhoo, stutter and   
   > perpetuate.....   
   > You can call us Absolutist/Authoritarians.   
   > You can refer to us as Jack Booted Thugs.   
      
      
   These are mainly used in connection with other behaviours -   
      
      
   > But in the end, it all comes down to the same basic notion:   
   >   
   > When you fuck up, you're going to pay the consequences for it.  It is true   
   > in ALL THINGS.  With every decision we make, we create a balance sheet of   
   > advantages and disadvantages.  When the CEO makes the wrong call and   
   orders   
   > a product line developed that flops, he pays a price.  When George Sr.   
   tells   
   > the Country, "Read my lips, No new taxes..." and then allows the Dems to   
   > raise taxes, he pays the price.  When that little hottie in High School   
   lets   
   > everybody have a whack at her yammie, then finds out later that nobody   
   wants   
   > a serious relationship with her, she pays the price.  When I buy a car I   
   > really can't afford, I pay the price.  And when you break the law, YOU pay   
   > the price.   
      
      
   True. And if we manufacture ghettos, and maintain processes which FEED crime   
   instead of extiguishing it, THEN WE ALL PAY - dont we !   
      
      
   > Some of the price may be incarceration.  That sanction is sought by the   
   > State.  And some of the price is a stigma that you carry until you are   
   able   
   > to prove is otherwise inconsequential.  Believe me, if you stumbled upon a   
   > legitimate way to make people massive money, nobody would care you were an   
   > ex-con.   
   >   
   > So much like your position that it is illegal to use a person's felony   
   > record as a deciding factor for hiring in the State of Wisconsin (which   
   has   
   > already been show to be incorrect),   
      
   It is unlawful under the FEA in Wisconsin to deny employment based on a   
   felony unless the felony has any substantial bearing on the particular job.   
   This is not fantasy, this is a very well concealed law which nobody respects   
   anyway.   
      
   > or your position that ghettos can be   
   > eliminated in this Country by forcing all employers to hire ex-cons (which   
   > is patently absurd),   
      
   Why absurd ?   
      
   > or your position that you are able to see people's   
   > genitalia through a brick wall (except if it is lead lined, no doubt), or   
   > your position that I have stated many times that, "Convicts deserve to be   
   > raped in prison", which you were unable to prove by citing any kind of   
   > evidence.....   
      
      
      
   > YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT ON THIS LEFTY!   
   >   
   > And what's worse, you're getting dangerously close to being nothing more   
   > than another Vadic/D E M I G O D/Stewart Conner clown.  You're better than   
   > this, and certainly more creative.  Get your head out of your ass and stop   
   > bellyaching like a pussy!  I thought you were a Marine, for Christ's sake.   
   > You were taught to adapt and overcome.  Quit wallowing in self pity, get   
   > your ass off your computer, and get there and make a difference in   
   > somebody's stinking life!   
   >   
   > Rant over....and I'm done with this topic.   
      
      
   Thank God for that, because you're not contributing anything new anyway.   
      
      
   > >   
   > > > > I'll answer your question completely - but first you must answer   
   mine,   
   > > > > because I have been asking it longer, and you have been evading it   
   > since   
   > > > > before I began evading yours.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > And that question is simply - WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PROSECUTE   
   > CRIMES,   
   > > > AND   
   > > > > ADMINISTER PUNISHMENTS ??? Is it the government, or is it just a   
   > > > > free-for-all ?   
   > > >   
   > > > Simple answer:   
   > > > Only the Government can prosecute crimms.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Thank you. You see, I was under the impression that only the government   
   > > could punish for offenses against state, federal or local laws. Thank   
   you   
   > > for affirming this.   
   > >   
   > > Similarly, who could make a war in the name of the US against another   
   > nation   
   > > ? No citizen has this power.   
   > >   
   > > Similarly, who is authorized to mint his own currency, even if it   
   exactly   
   > > resembles US currency ? No citizen has this power.   
   > >   
   > > Similarly, what man is authorized to punish another for crimes against   
   the   
   > > state ? No citizen has this authority.   
   > >   
   > > Thank you.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > > Denying you employment because I don't care for your past is my right   
   in   
   > a   
   > > > Capitalist society.  And this is where you just don't seem to get it.   
   > The   
   > > > Government does not have the right to tell me whom I may and whom I   
   must   
   > > > hire.  If you want a Government that controls business to that degree,   
   > > then   
   > > > I suggest you continue to elect Democrats to office.  It will only be   
   a   
   > > > question of time before we rename this place Walden III.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > In many states, you are right. Discrimination is perfectly legal, and   
   even   
   > > in states like Wisconsin it is extremely widespread despite the law -   
   > > interestingly.   
   > >   
   > > The question becomes, if the economic apparatus is creating poverty and   
   > > ghettos, primarily out of impunity, then are they not responsibel for   
   the   
   > > formation of those ghettos and all the crime which comes with them ?   
   Does   
   > > this not also implicate government and business as co-conspirators   
   > > CATEGORICALLY in each and every instance of crime which may result from   
   > this   
   > > process ?   
   > >   
   > > Why is it that there are laws against dumping toxic waste into the soil,   
   > but   
   > >  hate may be poured freely upon as many people as you wish ?   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > > > If I think that my neighbor is a thief then under the current system   
   I   
   > > can   
   > > > > go out and shoot him in the head, because the administration of   
   > > punishment   
   > > > > is just a free-for-all ??? Employers and government are 2 different   
   > > > > entities. Employers are private. I am also private. Therefore, since   
   > > > > employers are allowed to punish so can you and I. The law becomes   
   > moot.   
   > > Do   
   > > > > you see the problem here ??   
   > > >   
   > > > Nope.  I see a man intentionally warping logic to fit his agenda.  YOU   
   > > HAVE   
   > > > NO RIGHT TO A JOB ANYWHERE.  And you certainly have no RIGHT to DEMAND   
   > > that   
   > > > anyone hires you.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > I have no right and I WANT NO RIGHT, nor have I twisted logic other than   
   > to   
   > > straighten it out. I make NO demands to be employed. My only demand is   
   > that   
   > > the guilty parties accept responsibility for what they have created, and   
   > > that what they have created is in fact a driving force - an undercurrent   
   > > which FORCES crimes to occur and they know it.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > > > PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION, WAITING FOR AN ANSWER FOR OVER 2 YEARS   
   > NOW.   
   > > >   
   > > > You got it.  Now it's your turn.  Answer mine.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Insufficient information to be considered a real answer, please try   
   again.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
   >   
   >   
      
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