From: ron.sam{please-remove}@cox.net
I can't say I really disagree with your points, Soup. Especially the part
about shorter sentences of much greater exertion.
I don't think prison cells should be occupied by anyone who is not:
a) A danger to society
or
b) A repeat offender
In my ideal system, all convicted felons who met one or both of the criteria
above would be required to partake in extreme hard labor until they are
within two years of release. And I'm talking no "medical" exceptions or
anything. People incapable of swinging a 16 pound sledge would be required
to sit around polishing staff boots or whatever. But the work day would be
12 hours in my prison - 6 days per week.
Once a convict got within two years of release, he could choose to learn any
of a bunch of trade positions we would offer. Anything from carpentry,
plumbing, auto mechanics, machinist, heavy equipment operator...whatever.
And if he screwed up in a bad way - like running his cock pocket to staff or
fighting - he loses the education privilege and goes back to the gang for 6
months.
"Nadacomin" wrote in message
news:20031117014956.14053.00000379@mb-m15.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: People need a clean slate
>
> >From: "rl" ron.sam{please-remove}@cox.net
> >Newsgroups: alt.prisons
>
> rl writes:
>
> >I don't necessarily disagree with you on this Soup.
> >
> >Yet in the very act of typing those words, I can think of myriad
exceptions
> >to the statement:
> >
> >Should a chomo be allowed to teach Kindergarten after 10 years?
>
> NO. Child molestors should not be allowed to breath free air, ever. The
penalty
> for that should either be death, or life in prison, depending on whether
you
> support the DP.
>
> >Should a rapist be allowed to run a Woman's Support Group after 10 years?
>
> The same goes for rapists. Except.....
> "Bullshit" rape. Guys in thier twenties who get caught fucking a willing
15 or
> 16 year old (statutory) or guys who's wives or girlfrends cry rape, or,
guys
> who get into the wrong hot tub with the wrong drama queen aren't the same
breed
> o cat as the guy who grabs some woman in a shopping mall parking lot, a
park,
> or, breaks into her home and forcibly rapes her.
>
> >Should a man who was convicted of Securities and Exchange fraud be
allowed
> >to invest people's money for them after 10 years?
>
> If this white collar criminal does the time handed him by the courts, and,
does
> not re-offend for a period, of say, ten years, his record should be wiped
> clean.
> His crime is not much different than that of a shoplifter, an employee
thief,
> or a liquor store robber.
> As a matter of fact, while a white collar criminal might do some serious
damage
> to people's lives in stealing thier retirement money, they aren't shoving
a
> glock in someone's face, maybe pistol whipping them and tying them up,
leaving
> them with serious emotional trauma, or, even killing them.
> I can't say whether I am right or wrong, but, with the exception of
certain
> people who common sense will tell you they will re-offend, like serial
killers,
> child molestors or rapists, prison sentences should be much shorter, but,
the
> time much more rigourous.
> All prisoners should be required to work a hearty 8 to 12 hour day, doing
> anything from useful work and learning useful skills, to simply digging
holes
> and filling them back in, if useful work cannot be found, or, is
prohibited by
> the local do gooder polititians.
> Prisoners should not be allowed any recreation, or, anything beyond that
which
> sustains health and life, unless they work for it, and, earn it, like
working
> people on the outside do.
> Prisoners should not be allowed to run thier mouth at staff or other
prisoners,
> and, not be allowed to harrass staff or other prisoners in any way, shape
or
> form.
> Prisoners would then learn that it is your actions, not your words ( and
> whining, exaggerations and lies) that earn your way in the world.
> A five or ten year sentence, in which an offender is released knowing
> discipline, self discipline, how to work hard, and, some basic vocational
and
> educational skills, and, good health, would be alot better than a 25 year
or
> more sentence, where he spent his time smoking bugler, playing basketball
and
> getting tattoos on the yard, and, fucking with the staff and other
inmates.
> Inmates who cannot do thier time without assaulting staff or other inmates
> should do thier time in SHU.
> Since there are so many assaults on staff in SHU, and, accusations against
> staff, in SHU, my proposal for a SHU is this:
> In SHU, or level 6, or segregation, whatever it is called in that
jurisdiction,
> inmates should have absolutely no contact with staff, unless they need to
be
> removed from thier cells for medical care.
> We live in a high tech society with automation.
> A SHU could be completely automated, to the extent that inmates are fed,
> allowed into thier little dog run yard, and, showered, all at the push of
a
> button. No more big bad guards being accused of abusing them, because they
> won't have contact with them, only with computer monitored machines, which
are
> impartial.
> Contact with staff should only be allowed to inmates who are willing and
able
> to profit from it.
>
> http://nadacomin.0catch.com/
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