From: ron.sam{please-remove}@cox.net   
      
   "Morphy's ghost"  wrote in message   
   news:3fbb07de.258160050@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:34:13 -0700, "rl"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   > >   
   > >"Morphy's ghost"  wrote in message   
   > >news:3fb8f736.122803677@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   > >> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:50:05 -0700, "rl"   
   > >>  wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>   
   > >> >   
   > >> >If you knew what you were doing was illegal.  If you knew that you   
   might   
   > >get   
   > >> >caught.  If you knew this would lead to a crimm record.  If you knew   
   that   
   > >a   
   > >> >crimm record was going to be a real handicap when it came to securing   
   > >> >legitimate employment.....   
   > >> >AND YOU WENT OUT AND DID THE DEED ANYWAY!   
   > >> >   
   > >> >Please explain for me *exactly* how and why your current dilemma is   
   the   
   > >> >employers problem/fault and not yours?   
   > >> >   
   > >> >   
   > >>   
   > >> I've always thought that expecting a criminal to foresee all of the   
   > >> consequences of his actions was expecting too much.  It makes us the   
   > >> equivalent of the mother of a recently divorced man telling him, "See,   
   > >> I told you this would happen when you first started dating her."  It's   
   > >> just not constructive.   
   > >   
   > >Whoa!!!!   
   > >   
   > >It's not constructive for us to expect people to at least have some idea   
   of   
   > >the consequences for their actions?  Have you really thought that   
   statement   
   > >out???!!!   
   > >   
   > >That is one of the definitions of insanity!   
   > >   
   > >The inability to understand that what we do may have far reaching and   
   > >unintended consequences to ourselves and others.   
   > >   
   > >I think you ought to give this one a little more time in the pipe,   
   Morphy.   
   > >   
   > >   
   >   
   > I've thought it through.  In an ideal world, we would know all of the   
   > consequences of our actions and rationally and analytically choose   
   > between alternatives so that we would never make a mistake.  This is   
   > not an ideal world; everybody makes mistakes.  While we certainly   
   > should expect that people will do their best to make the right   
   > choices, once they've fucked up,  we should offer them something a   
   > little more constructive than saying "I told you so."   
      
   Asking why a person feels it is somebody else's responsibility to make   
   things right for us when we screw up is telling them, "I told you so?"   
      
   Interesting.   
      
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