From: ron.sam{please-remove}@cox.net   
      
   "Morphy's ghost"  wrote in message   
   news:3fbc5e86.41043184@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:14:37 -0700, "rl"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   > >"Morphy's ghost"  wrote in message   
   > >news:3fbb07de.258160050@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   > >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:34:13 -0700, "rl"   
   > >>  wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >> >   
   > >> >"Morphy's ghost"  wrote in   
   message   
   > >> >news:3fb8f736.122803677@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   > >> >> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:50:05 -0700, "rl"   
   > >> >>  wrote:   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >If you knew what you were doing was illegal.  If you knew that you   
   > >might   
   > >> >get   
   > >> >> >caught.  If you knew this would lead to a crimm record.  If you   
   knew   
   > >that   
   > >> >a   
   > >> >> >crimm record was going to be a real handicap when it came to   
   securing   
   > >> >> >legitimate employment.....   
   > >> >> >AND YOU WENT OUT AND DID THE DEED ANYWAY!   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >> I've always thought that expecting a criminal to foresee all of the   
   > >> >> consequences of his actions was expecting too much.  It makes us the   
   > >> >> equivalent of the mother of a recently divorced man telling him,   
   "See,   
   > >> >> I told you this would happen when you first started dating her."   
   It's   
   > >> >> just not constructive.   
   > >> >   
   > >> >Whoa!!!!   
   > >> >   
   > >> >It's not constructive for us to expect people to at least have some   
   idea   
   > >of   
   > >> >the consequences for their actions?  Have you really thought that   
   > >statement   
   > >> >out???!!!   
   > >> >   
   > >> >That is one of the definitions of insanity!   
   > >> >   
   > >> >The inability to understand that what we do may have far reaching and   
   > >> >unintended consequences to ourselves and others.   
   > >> >   
   > >> >I think you ought to give this one a little more time in the pipe,   
   > >Morphy.   
   > >> >   
   > >> >   
   > >>   
   > >> I've thought it through.  In an ideal world, we would know all of the   
   > >> consequences of our actions and rationally and analytically choose   
   > >> between alternatives so that we would never make a mistake.  This is   
   > >> not an ideal world; everybody makes mistakes.  While we certainly   
   > >> should expect that people will do their best to make the right   
   > >> choices, once they've fucked up,  we should offer them something a   
   > >> little more constructive than saying "I told you so."   
   > >   
   > >Asking why a person feels it is somebody else's responsibility to make   
   > >things right for us when we screw up is telling them, "I told you so?"   
   > >   
   > >Interesting.   
   > >   
   > >   
   >   
   > No.  Asking why they didn't think of it before they got locked up is,   
      
      
   Good then.  I can see your point has nothing to do with my post, then, since   
   my question was clearly:   
   "Please explain for me *exactly* how and why your current dilemma is the   
   employers problem/fault and not yours?"   
      
   Which has nothing to do with, "Why didn't you think of this before you got   
   locked up."   
      
   The first question asks him to explain why he feels responsibility for his   
   actions should fall onto someone else.  The second asks him why he doesn't   
   own a crystal ball.   
      
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