From: ghost_of_morphy@killfile.com   
      
   On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:06:06 -0700, "rl"   
    wrote:   
      
   >"Morphy's ghost"  wrote in message   
   >news:3fbc5e86.41043184@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   >> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:14:37 -0700, "rl"   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >"Morphy's ghost"  wrote in message   
   >> >news:3fbb07de.258160050@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   >> >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:34:13 -0700, "rl"   
   >> >>  wrote:   
   >> >>   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >"Morphy's ghost"  wrote in   
   >message   
   >> >> >news:3fb8f736.122803677@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   >> >> >> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:50:05 -0700, "rl"   
   >> >> >>  wrote:   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >If you knew what you were doing was illegal.  If you knew that you   
   >> >might   
   >> >> >get   
   >> >> >> >caught.  If you knew this would lead to a crimm record.  If you   
   >knew   
   >> >that   
   >> >> >a   
   >> >> >> >crimm record was going to be a real handicap when it came to   
   >securing   
   >> >> >> >legitimate employment.....   
   >> >> >> >AND YOU WENT OUT AND DID THE DEED ANYWAY!   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> I've always thought that expecting a criminal to foresee all of the   
   >> >> >> consequences of his actions was expecting too much.  It makes us the   
   >> >> >> equivalent of the mother of a recently divorced man telling him,   
   >"See,   
   >> >> >> I told you this would happen when you first started dating her."   
   >It's   
   >> >> >> just not constructive.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >Whoa!!!!   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >It's not constructive for us to expect people to at least have some   
   >idea   
   >> >of   
   >> >> >the consequences for their actions?  Have you really thought that   
   >> >statement   
   >> >> >out???!!!   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >That is one of the definitions of insanity!   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >The inability to understand that what we do may have far reaching and   
   >> >> >unintended consequences to ourselves and others.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >I think you ought to give this one a little more time in the pipe,   
   >> >Morphy.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >   
   >> >>   
   >> >> I've thought it through.  In an ideal world, we would know all of the   
   >> >> consequences of our actions and rationally and analytically choose   
   >> >> between alternatives so that we would never make a mistake.  This is   
   >> >> not an ideal world; everybody makes mistakes.  While we certainly   
   >> >> should expect that people will do their best to make the right   
   >> >> choices, once they've fucked up,  we should offer them something a   
   >> >> little more constructive than saying "I told you so."   
   >> >   
   >> >Asking why a person feels it is somebody else's responsibility to make   
   >> >things right for us when we screw up is telling them, "I told you so?"   
   >> >   
   >> >Interesting.   
   >> >   
   >> >   
   >>   
   >> No.  Asking why they didn't think of it before they got locked up is,   
   >   
   >   
   >Good then.  I can see your point has nothing to do with my post, then, since   
   >my question was clearly:   
   >"Please explain for me *exactly* how and why your current dilemma is the   
   >employers problem/fault and not yours?"   
   >   
   >Which has nothing to do with, "Why didn't you think of this before you got   
   >locked up."   
   >   
   >The first question asks him to explain why he feels responsibility for his   
   >actions should fall onto someone else.  The second asks him why he doesn't   
   >own a crystal ball.   
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