From: ron.sam{please-remove}@cox.net   
      
   "Morphy's ghost"  wrote in message   
   news:3fbd4d22.17292870@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:06:06 -0700, "rl"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   > >"Morphy's ghost"  wrote in message   
   > >news:3fbc5e86.41043184@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   > >> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:14:37 -0700, "rl"   
   > >>  wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >> >"Morphy's ghost"  wrote in message   
   > >> >news:3fbb07de.258160050@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   > >> >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:34:13 -0700, "rl"   
   > >> >>  wrote:   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >"Morphy's ghost"  wrote in   
   > >message   
   > >> >> >news:3fb8f736.122803677@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...   
   > >> >> >> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:50:05 -0700, "rl"   
   > >> >> >>  wrote:   
   > >> >> >>   
   > >> >> >>   
   > >> >> >> >   
   > >> >> >> >If you knew what you were doing was illegal.  If you knew that   
   you   
   > >> >might   
   > >> >> >get   
   > >> >> >> >caught.  If you knew this would lead to a crimm record.  If you   
   > >knew   
   > >> >that   
   > >> >> >a   
   > >> >> >> >crimm record was going to be a real handicap when it came to   
   > >securing   
   > >> >> >> >legitimate employment.....   
   > >> >> >> >AND YOU WENT OUT AND DID THE DEED ANYWAY!   
   > >> >> >> >   
   > >> >> >> >> >> >> >   
   > >> >> >> >   
   > >> >> >>   
   > >> >> >> I've always thought that expecting a criminal to foresee all of   
   the   
   > >> >> >> consequences of his actions was expecting too much.  It makes us   
   the   
   > >> >> >> equivalent of the mother of a recently divorced man telling him,   
   > >"See,   
   > >> >> >> I told you this would happen when you first started dating her."   
   > >It's   
   > >> >> >> just not constructive.   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >Whoa!!!!   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >It's not constructive for us to expect people to at least have some   
   > >idea   
   > >> >of   
   > >> >> >the consequences for their actions?  Have you really thought that   
   > >> >statement   
   > >> >> >out???!!!   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >That is one of the definitions of insanity!   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >The inability to understand that what we do may have far reaching   
   and   
   > >> >> >unintended consequences to ourselves and others.   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >I think you ought to give this one a little more time in the pipe,   
   > >> >Morphy.   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >> I've thought it through.  In an ideal world, we would know all of   
   the   
   > >> >> consequences of our actions and rationally and analytically choose   
   > >> >> between alternatives so that we would never make a mistake.  This is   
   > >> >> not an ideal world; everybody makes mistakes.  While we certainly   
   > >> >> should expect that people will do their best to make the right   
   > >> >> choices, once they've fucked up,  we should offer them something a   
   > >> >> little more constructive than saying "I told you so."   
   > >> >   
   > >> >Asking why a person feels it is somebody else's responsibility to make   
   > >> >things right for us when we screw up is telling them, "I told you so?"   
   > >> >   
   > >> >Interesting.   
   > >> >   
   > >> >   
   > >>   
   > >> No.  Asking why they didn't think of it before they got locked up is,   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >Good then.  I can see your point has nothing to do with my post, then,   
   since   
   > >my question was clearly:   
   > >"Please explain for me *exactly* how and why your current dilemma is the   
   > >employers problem/fault and not yours?"   
   >   
   > True enough.  My comments address the paragraph prior to that   
   > question.  I thought that was clear enough, as that was the paragraph   
   > that I replied to.   
      
   That's fair.   
      
   The leading statements prior to the actual question were designed to   
   establish the fact that nobody forced him to do the wrong thing - and,   
   therefore, responsibility for the consequences of those actions should not   
   be shared with other parties / people.   
      
      
   >   
   > >   
   > >Which has nothing to do with, "Why didn't you think of this before you   
   got   
   > >locked up."   
   > >   
   > >The first question asks him to explain why he feels responsibility for   
   his   
   > >actions should fall onto someone else.  The second asks him why he   
   doesn't   
   > >own a crystal ball.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
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