From: "@SHAW.CA   
      
   Stewart Connor wrote:   
      
   >>You STILL haven't answered the basic question.  If a person commits   
   >>murder, what consequences should they face.  Since you don't think   
   >>prison is the place they should be, what would you do with them?  How   
   >>would you "cure" their sickness?   
   >   
   >   
   > At least you are beginning to almost ask the right questions.  Keep working   
   at   
   > it Deb. Becoming a mature person takes work. (I am not putting you down I am   
   > doing work to reach my true God-given state as well... if you dont understand   
   > why all the work is worth it, you haven't begun to understand reality, that   
   is   
   > it is only God's reality that is real...not the sick world or the sick people   
   > in it___as long as we dont fully embrace this then we are the sick people in   
   > the sick world --- thus not real and destined to suffer ... keep thinking   
   about   
   > it Deb,  I see that you have changed your tune just a little bit,  there is a   
   > sickness and it goes right to the highest levels of american government, how   
   do   
   > we change it for the better.  One thing is that politicians have a tradition   
   of   
   > using fear to manipulate voters.  This must be continually be recognized...   
   In   
   > God's world there is no fear.)   
   > By the way, the reason I respect Vadik is that I see some of these qualities   
   in   
   > him.  He believes in ideals. He states religion is the opiate of the masses   
   and   
   > in fact blindly following religion is just as bad as following a corrupt   
   > politician. But Vadik has spiritual ideals(though he talks trash like a super   
   > pimp) The UN Declaration of Human Rights  does not come from wrong headed   
   > thinking.   
   > And Vadik recognizes and tries to repeat over and over the crimes going on in   
   > this country.  This is just the method the crooks trying to cover there   
   crimes   
   > use, repeating over and over again that they are not crooks.(Remeber Nixon   
   > famous line, "I am not a crook")---This is the brainwash technique used over   
   > and over again.  The media tells you lies over and over again and soon the   
   less   
   > intelligent people become putty in the hands of the corrupt politicians. ...   
   > FIGHT BACK!   
      
   Stew, although you're right about Debbie's beginning to train her   
   mind to work, you may be wrong in your optimism toward her   
   becoming mature enough soon. In order for her to be able to   
   understand basic the philosophy behind "crime and punishment" she   
   should get some knowledge about Human Rights and gain experience   
   in operations of government's sinecures. But even then she'll   
   need to LEARN about compassion and respect for others' rights.   
   And she does not sound like the type who is able to endure the   
   process of going through those stages...   
      
   Do you really think that she will find a room in her mind for a   
   sympathy toward the victims of the incarceration industry and be   
   able to comprehend the reasons for your position?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)