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|    Re: Here we go again, same 'ol shit agai    |
|    23 Nov 03 21:14:44    |
      From: Barking@The.Moon              Thats pretty cool. Now if we can just screen them all out during the job       application process, perhaps we can use Darwins theories to make society       more obedient to warmakers !!!                                                 > F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies       > By ERIC LICHTBLAU       >       > Published: November 23, 2003       >       >       > ASHINGTON, Nov. 22 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation has collected       > extensive information on the tactics, training and organization of antiwar       > demonstrators and has advised local law enforcement officials to report       any       > suspicious activity at protests to its counterterrorism squads, according       to       > interviews and a confidential bureau memorandum.       >       > Advertisement       >       >       > The memorandum, which the bureau sent to local law enforcement agencies       last       > month in advance of antiwar demonstrations in Washington and San       Francisco,       > detailed how protesters have sometimes used "training camps" to rehearse       for       > demonstrations, the Internet to raise money and gas masks to defend       against       > tear gas. The memorandum analyzed lawful activities like recruiting       > demonstrators, as well as illegal activities like using fake documentation       to       > get into a secured site.       >       > F.B.I. officials said in interviews that the intelligence-gathering effort       was       > aimed at identifying anarchists and "extremist elements" plotting       violence, not       > at monitoring the political speech of law-abiding protesters.       >       > The initiative has won the support of some local police, who view it as a       > critical way to maintain order at large-scale demonstrations. Indeed, some       law       > enforcement officials said they believed the F.B.I.'s approach had helped       to       > ensure that nationwide antiwar demonstrations in recent months, drawing       > hundreds of thousands of protesters, remained largely free of violence and       > disruption.       >       > But some civil rights advocates and legal scholars said the monitoring       program       > could signal a return to the abuses of the 1960's and 1970's, when J.       Edgar       > Hoover was the F.B.I. director and agents routinely spied on political       > protesters like the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.       >       > "The F.B.I. is dangerously targeting Americans who are engaged in nothing       more       > than lawful protest and dissent," said Anthony Romero, executive director       of       > the American Civil Liberties Union. "The line between terrorism and       legitimate       > civil disobedience is blurred, and I have a serious concern about whether       we're       > going back to the days of Hoover."       >       > Herman Schwartz, a constitutional law professor at American University who       has       > written about F.B.I. history, said collecting intelligence at       demonstrations is       > probably legal.       >       > But he added: "As a matter of principle, it has a very serious chilling       effect       > on peaceful demonstration. If you go around telling people, `We're going       to       > ferret out information on demonstrations,' that deters people. People       don't       > want their names and pictures in F.B.I. files."       >       > The abuses of the Hoover era, which included efforts by the F.B.I. to       harass       > and discredit Hoover's political enemies under a program known as       Cointelpro,       > led to tight restrictions on F.B.I. investigations of political       activities.       >       > Those restrictions were relaxed significantly last year, when Attorney       General       > John Ashcroft issued guidelines giving agents authority to attend       political       > rallies, mosques and any event "open to the public."       >       > Mr. Ashcroft said the Sept. 11 attacks made it essential that the F.B.I.       be       > allowed to investigate terrorism more aggressively. The bureau's recent       > strategy in policing demonstrations is an outgrowth of that policy,       officials       > said.       >       > "We're not concerned with individuals who are exercising their       constitutional       > rights," one F.B.I. official said. "But it's obvious that there are       individuals       > capable of violence at these events. We know that there are anarchists       that are       > actively involved in trying to sabotage and commit acts of violence at       these       > different events, and we also know that these large gatherings would be a       prime       > target for terrorist groups."       >       > Civil rights advocates, relying largely on anecdotal evidence, have       complained       > for months that federal officials have surreptitiously sought to suppress       the       > First Amendment rights of antiwar demonstrators.       >       > Critics of the Bush administration's Iraq policy, for instance, have sued       the       > government to learn how their names ended up on a "no fly" list used to       stop       > suspected terrorists from boarding planes. Civil rights advocates have       accused       > federal and local authorities in Denver and Fresno, Calif., of spying on       > antiwar demonstrators or infiltrating planning meetings. And the New York       > Police Department this year questioned many of those arrested at       demonstrations       > about their political affiliations, before halting the practice and       expunging       > the data in the face of public criticism.       >       > The F.B.I. memorandum, however, appears to offer the first corroboration       of a       > coordinated, nationwide effort to collect intelligence regarding       > demonstrations.       >       >       > Get home delivery of The Times from $2.90/week       > Continued       > 1 | 2 | Next>>       >       >       >       >       >       >       >       >       > RELATED ARTICLES       >       >       >       > THREATS AND RESPONSES: CIVIL LIBERTIES; Suit Challenges Constitutionality       Of       > Powers in Antiterrorism Law (July 31, 2003) $       >       > TRACES OF TERROR: SURVEILLANCE; Government Will Ease Limits On Domestic       Spying       > by F.B.I. 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