XPost: alt.activism.death-penalty, talk.politics, alt.law-enforcement   
   XPost: alt.true-crime   
   From: Barking@The.Moon   
      
   > > She is certainly a legless gerbil.   
   > >   
   > > Very gullible too apparently if she is swallowing all of those old lies   
   > > about the glory of war and yada yada.   
      
   > Ever been in war?   
      
   If you consider marriage - well, maybe. But this really has nothing to do   
   with it. Does one need to go to war before one can have an opinion of it ?   
   Would you need to catch cancer to understand that it aint no good ?   
   Seriously Grendaline -   
      
   > Ever even been in the military?   
      
   There is no military - just a fraternal brotherhood of assholes.   
      
   > Or did the lack of   
   > balls and that yellow streak down your back keep you from service?   
      
   Yeah, that's it - I pissed my pants and ran he first time I saw a WM.   
      
   >Or are you one of the 'enlightened' few who thinks that everyone can   
   > 'just get alone'?   
      
   I guess you're right, lets all just resolve to live in a perpetual state of   
   war. How fun it sounds.   
      
   > Believe me, when your shivering your nuts off in the ass end of a   
   > Stratopig you have plenty of time to think about why you're doing it.   
   > I sure as hell wasn't there for the financial oportunities.   
      
   Stratopig. Is that one of those things with the straps on it that you wear   
   around the waist ?   
      
      
   > > > Do you really have intentions to bring to senses this Gerbil with his   
   > > > gibberish about "necessity" of mass murder?   
   > > > Only a complete idiot like Gerbil would compare a fight between two   
   > > > prehistoric Neanderthals over a piece of meat to the modern time   
   policies   
   > >  of mass annihilation.   
   >   
   > I didn't say a thing about the 'necessity' of war or even about the   
   > policies of this administration or any other administration involved   
   > in a war.  Although I do agree with the policies of America during   
   > this particular conflict, I never mentioned that in my posting.   
      
   I agree with this conflict as well. I also think that Bush Sr. & Jr. are   
   both great men among men. I understand that it is neccesary and I do not   
   protest our actions against the Talibun or Sadaam. But, I also maintain that   
   war is ALWAYS murder, even in this case.   
      
   The main reason alot of people freak out from combat is because they cannot   
   accept this contradiction. You either think of the enemy as inhuman, or you   
   acknowledge the humanity of the enemy and accept the fact that you did   
   murder, but because you were forced to.   
      
   Then again, there are those who really dont care about right or wrong   
   whatsoever, killing another human being is no different to them than   
   butchering a pig. This is yet another coping mechanism, but also the thought   
   process similar to a serial killer. Yet another unfortunate consequence of   
   war.   
      
   > My point is that there has ALWAY been conflict, there always WILL be   
   > conflict.  You can't change this as long as there is ONE individual   
   > who want's that which is not his.  "Peace" is just an agreement   
   > between multiple entities (be it individuals, cities, states or   
   > nations) and is enforced by the winner of the last conflict.  Anytime   
   > anyone of these entities decides it doesn't want to play by the rules   
   > any longer and inflict it's will upon the rest you get conflict(riots,   
   > mobs or war).  This is a fact of life, you can't change it in any way.   
   >  Deal with it.   
      
   I deal with it just fine, recognizing that war is frequently neccesary, and   
   that it is also murder. I dont have a problem with that.   
      
   Let me ask you - when Castro was putting Soviet missiles in place aimed at   
   the US - do you think that he might have been preparing to "murder" us ? Or,   
   was he simply engaging himself in the relatively innocent practice of war ?   
      
      
   > As far as my opinions on the current conflict:  I think this is a war   
   > that should have started long ago.  Under Klinton our citizens and   
   > service men were attacked numerous times and nothing was done.  How   
   > many Americans have to die before you feel we are 'justified' in   
   > taking action?  We went after Al-Quida and they ain't given us much   
   > problem since.  And there is a provable link of ol' Sadam harboring   
   > terrorist of that organization.  Sure, most of the terrorist are now   
   > striking back at our soldiers in Iraq, but at least they seem to be to   
   > busy over there to worry about over here.  That may change, but I'd   
   > rather keep them on the run than give them free riegn as you would   
   > have.   
      
      
   I did not say that it was unjustified. I only stated that it is murder, and   
   it is. I do not believe that I have made a single statement opposing the   
   cuerrent war, I do not believe that I have. All I am saying is that war is   
   murder no matter who is fighting it, no matter the reason.   
      
   You cannot win a war by only shooting at people who have first shot at you.   
   You cannot win by playing fair. You only win by going in like a vicious dog,   
   seeking and destroying the enemy aggressively. To do this you must think as   
   a murderer does, with the intent of destroying human life with impunity -   
   otherwise you die. US soldiers are typically very even handed players, but   
   only because we are one of the most liberal nations on Earth.   
      
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