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   From: ron@shell.core.com   
      
   In talk.philosophy.humanism Chris  wrote:   
      
   > "David V."  wrote in message   
   > news:FcmdnfyVQK4Vd1GiRVn-jw@sti.net...   
   >> Huh? Where did "ideals" come in anywhere?   
      
   > "as a society we make a statement that we value the murderer's life more   
   > than that of his/her victim[s]."   
      
   > That's a philosophical statement of belief, and, as such, cannot be a lie.   
      
   It may not be a lie, but it is an unsubstantiated statement.   
      
   In addition, the analogy is wrong. (Most analogies are.)   
      
   When people are opposing the death penalty they are saying that a person   
   has a right not to be killed by the state. They would probably agree   
   that a fetus shouldn't be killed by the state.   
      
   A person that is pro-choice is saying that the state doesn't have a   
   right to punish a woman for having an abortion. And, the state doesn't   
   have a right to punish a woman for getting pregnant. And, the state   
   doesn't have a right to punish a woman for giving birth to a child.   
      
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