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   XPost: talk.philosophy.humanism   
   From: swayser@optonline.net   
      
   I just did. I'll provide another which is a bit more complex. Countries   
   which have a stronger economy than their enemies win, regardless of   
   other factors.   
      
   David V. wrote:   
   > Don Swayser wrote:   
   >   
   >> David V. wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Don Swayser wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> David V. wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Don Swayser wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> .... Contrary to your contention the deasth[sic] penalty is a   
   >>>>>> deterent[sic] to violence of the   
   >>>>>> most extreme form, murder. The death penalty   
   >>>>>> wasn't applied, until recent years, since the   
   >>>>>> mid-seventies. The murder rate rose during those   
   >>>>>> years. Since the death penalty is again being   
   >>>>>> pronounced the murder rate has declined. It is   
   >>>>>> now down to pre-ban rates. Those are the   
   >>>>>> facts....   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Those may be "facts" but it is a fallacy to assume   
   >>>>> that the removal of the death penalty caused a rise   
   >>>>> in the murder rate. Texas has been offing people   
   >>>>> for a long time and their death row is still   
   >>>>> packed. Those that claim that capital punishment is   
   >>>>> a deterrent know nothing about, and aren't   
   >>>>> interested in, studying criminal behavior. They   
   >>>>> just want revenge.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Then you believe that the rise and fall of the murder   
   >>>> rate which coincides with the abolition and   
   >>>> reinstatement of the death penalty is a coincidence?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes. There is nothing to prove they are connected.   
   >>>   
   >> Just like there's nothing to prove that poverty and   
   >> economic depressions are related...   
   >   
   >   
   > No. You just can't pull two statistics out of the air and   
   > claim they are related.   
      
      
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   equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.   
   Carl Schurz (1829-1906)   
      
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