XPost: alt.thebird.copwatch, alt.law-enforcement, alt.true-crime   
   XPost: alt.california, nyc.general   
   From: nospam@me.com   
      
   "Ted Kerin"  wrote in message   
   news:bqq93e02tkv@enews4.newsguy.com...   
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   > "jaybird"  wrote in message   
   > news:rGNzb.956$HH.586@fe1.texas.rr.com...   
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   > > "Rob Billups"  wrote in message   
   > > news:8bqdnTMrONbGOVKiRVn-vg@bright.net...   
   > > > Dumb fuck...it is the cops fault   
   > >   
   > > All the criminal has to do is stop.  If he chooses not to, then any   
   > negative   
   > > results from that decision should be on him as long as those pursuing   
   are   
   > > within the legal limits of the law and due care.   
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   >   
   > The problem is, in many places at least, the "legal limits of the law" are   
   > virtually non-existent, and would render immunity to police for the most   
   > insane kind of demolition-derby recklessness.   
      
   The legal limits of the law are very existent.  We're not talking about the   
   movies where the cops just slam on the gas and take off.  A cop is   
   responsible for issues that occur because of negligent or reckless behavior   
   on his part.   
      
   >   
   > It's a longstanding issue, and various entities have created guidelines   
   and   
   > standards for police in high-speed chases, but they are all toothless when   
   > the appellate courts just say "Sure, we all know the cop drove like such a   
   > total fucking maniacal idiot that he practically committed murder,   
   but....he   
   > is immune as a matter of law."  Nyah, nyahh, we killed your daughter,   
   > boo-hoo and tough shit.   
      
   I don't think I've ever heard "Nyah, nyahh, we killed your daughter, boo-hoo   
   and tough shit" in a ruling.   
      
   >   
   > None of which is to absolve the fleeing criminal in any way whatsoever.   
   But,   
   > hey, he is a criminal, and is acting like one, whereas some people think   
   the   
   > police should not behave like criminals, in a way that is extremely likely   
   > to end up killing innocent bystanders.   
      
   I agree.  When the police violate the law and standards of due care, they   
   become criminals.  As long as they don't, the end results of the pursuit   
   should all be on the one who chose to flee in the first place.  Without that   
   action from him/her, none of the subsequent events would occur.   
      
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   jaybird   
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   I am not the cause of your problems.   
   My actions are the result of your actions.   
   Your life is not my fault.   
      
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