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   _ G O D _ to Zman   
   Re: Cincy Police Chief: Fight Was Matter   
   07 Dec 03 03:52:36   
   
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   From: DEMI_GOD_@SHAW.CA   
      
   "Zman"  wrote in message   
   news:Cmdzb.400807$HS4.3240415@attbi_s01...   
   > Dateline: Cincinnati - 12/2/2003   
   >   
   >   
   > WCPO-TV, Cincinnati   
   >   
   > The Cincinnati Police chief is standing by his officers after a suspect   
   died   
   > in custody this past weekend.   
      
   Simply said, a person was murdered  by violent pigs, but chief attempts to   
   deny it.   
      
   > Police said Nathaniel Jones, 41, died Sunday morning after an altercation   
   > with officers at the White Castle on West Mitchell in Avondale.   
      
   Instead of medical attention, a man was brutally attacked by aggressive   
   pigs.   
      
   > In-cruiser video shows the officers striking Jones with their batons and   
   > repeatedly telling him to put his hands behind his back. It took a total   
   of   
   > six officers to subdue the 350-pound suspect, who later died at University   
   > Hospital.   
      
   Despite irrefutable evidence of victim's distress, pigs did not attempt in   
   any way to help him in any way, and took advantage of the opportunity to   
   kill an easy prey, instead.   
      
   > Cincinnati Police Chief Tom Stretcher, speaking publicly for the first   
   time   
   > Tuesday morning because he just returned to town from Thanksgiving   
   vacation,   
   > said the determination of whether his officers used justifiable use of   
   force   
   > is "something the investigation will have to determine."   
      
   Advocating merciless killing, pigs' chief is publicly and blatantly   
   justifying their act of murder with full impunity before the law.   
      
   > Stretcher said the justifiable use of force determination will be based on   
   a   
   > two part test: "Officers have the right to use force to defend themselves   
   > against any type of attack. Secondly, they have the right to use force to   
   > overcome resistance to an arrest."   
      
   Blabbering about "self-defense" pig is hopelessly attempting to mislead the   
   public.   
      
   > "Viewing of the tape provides both of those prongs into consideration.   
   One,   
   > you can see an officer very clearly attacked in the beginning of the tape.   
   > As the tape rolls on, a tremendous amount of resistance being offered by   
   the   
   > suspect and the officers are very clearly using commands, 'Sir, please put   
   > your hands behind your back.' The person involved is obviously not   
   complying   
   > with those requests for him to submit to arrest, so the officers do have   
   the   
   > right to defend themselves and use force to overcome that resistance,"   
   > Streicher said.   
      
   Another attempt to misinterpret the evidence is also doomed to fail. Just   
   because a person was able to catch a last breath, which may have prolonged   
   his life, it is an obvious proof in favor of the dying victim and against   
   his brutal assailants.   
      
   > Streicher also said that in the beginning of the tape, "I think the fact   
   > that ... the officer has his hands up at arms length, telling the person   
   to   
   > back up. The officer is actually retreating; he is not aggressively   
   engaging   
   > the person. He does then come under a very obvious attack. The other   
   officer   
   > immediately comes to his assistance. This is something they're trained to   
   > do."   
      
   I only commend the victim of  such monstrosity for not giving up so easily   
   to his assailants and being able to resist his beating.   
      
   > Regarding the violence of the struggle, Streicher said, "Yes, it is very   
   > violent. I've never seen a fight that wasn't violent and it's something   
   that   
   > the officers have to be extremely concerned about."   
      
   It was an extreme violence, alright, but against an innocent individual,   
   which was ended with his death.   
      
   > "I think something else you have to point out is I've heard a lot of   
   > stations say that the person is unarmed or doesn't appear as though he's   
   > armed. Well, the training we provide for our officers -- we clearly tell   
   > them, well you have a gun, and when you do become engaged in a   
   hand-to-hand   
   > confrontation with someone, everyone is considered to have equal access to   
   > that firearm, so this an armed encounter. It's a matter of lift and death   
   to   
   > these officers," Streicher added.   
      
   If it was indeed "a matter of life and death", and if it was a true in the   
   matter of fact, than pigs would not have actually got engaged in beating of   
   a defenseless individual,  because they had a choice  of not only delay that   
   engagement, but also could easily retreat, if feared to die...   
      
   > The officers' objective in the struggle, according to Streicher, is to   
   "get   
   > that person under control and get him subdued and under arrest as quickly   
   as   
   > possible. If that takes some violent action, then it takes violent   
   action."   
      
   Another clearly deliberate lie about "necessity"  of subduing an obviously   
   quite sedated person.   
      
   > When asked if the officers could have subdued the suspect in a less   
   violent   
   > manner, Stretcher said that question has to be answered by the officers   
   who   
   > were using force and have used force in this situation."   
   >   
   > Stretcher said that the death of another suspect in Cincinnati Police   
   > custody "doesn't make policing in the city harder. I think it's something   
   > that everyone has to realize, ultimately as a reality of life. The   
   officers   
   > have the right to use force. We don't know what the cause of death is, but   
   I   
   > can say to you that the coroner said it was an enlarged heart and there   
   was   
   > severe hypertension and the use of cocaine, the use of PCP. Both of those   
   > [drugs] have historically led to very violent and very aggressive action   
   on   
   > the part of suspects here, so to characterize it as something as 'death at   
   > the hands of police,' I don't know if it's accurate. I think we have to   
   all   
   > remain calm and wait for the coroner's report."   
   > ******************************   
      
   Everyone has the right to use force, especially when being attacked, but the   
   pigs are usually the ones who attacking individuals with their brutality and   
   excessive force. They are also the ones who kill people without any   
   provocation and need for it.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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