XPost: talk.politics, alt.law-enforcement, alt.true-crime
XPost: talk.philosophy.humanism
From: gowch@SPAMTHEENOThotmail.com
On 6 Dec 2003 17:52:55 -0800, moorehead_johnson@hotmail.com (Moorehead
Johnson) wrote:
==>Ivan Gowch wrote in message ne
s:...
==>> On 5 Dec 2003 10:00:11 -0800, moorehead_johnson@hotmail.com (Moorehead
==>> Johnson) wrote:
==>>
==>> [snip]
==>>
==>> ==>I HAVE spoken to many, many women who've had abortions. With one
==>> ==>exception, virtually all regretted it.
==>>
==>> No doubt they regretted the *necessity* of
==>> having to have the procedure. Who wouldn't?
==>
==>First of all, who the fuck taught you how to reply to a post?
Jesus Christ did. He came down from heaven with
a laptop and sayeth unto me, "Sit thee down and
I will instruct thee with heavenly wisdom how to
kick the asses of Usenet morons. Yea, verily,
with great kicks shalt thou smite them, until they
see the error of their ways and follow the paths
of righteousness and logic."
True story.
==> What's
==>with the tabbed margins and hashmarked arrows all over the place?
I tab the margins because it makes my golden
prose more distinctive. The arrows, of course,
indicate quoted material, which you would know
if you weren't a newbie.
==>Find yourself a decent newsreader or use Google Groups for chrissakes,
==>man...you look like a complete usenet virgin.
My newsreader is first-rate, and I'm pretty sure I
lost my Usenet cherry years before you lost yours.
Now, if you have anything more pertinent to discuss
than your lame attempt at trying to force me into some
posting mode that meets with your approval, let's
move on.
==>> ==> Some, like Norma McCorvey
==>> ==>herself ('Roe') decided to become pro-life afterward.
IG:
==>> Brainwashed by the anti-choice forces, as we
==>> all know.
==>ROTFLMAO....but if she was still a rabid probort, that decision would
==>have been one that she came to, on her own, without any influence from
==>anyone, right? Gawd, you are indeed a pathetic liar.
I'd respond to the above, but I've no idea what
you're talking about.
IG:
==>> No, most would do what they used to do --
==>> patronize back-alley abortionists whose
==>> butchery used to result in the death or
==>> permanent sterility of many of their clients.
==>Another lie. Incidents of back alley abortions have been exaggerated
==>to mythical proportions.
So you claim. With nothing to back it up.
==> The vast majority of women who obtained
==>abortions prior to Roe V. Wade obtained them from doctors who simply
==>disobeyed the law.
And how the hell would you know that?
Another "fact" pulled straight from your ass.
==> Talk about brainwashed - do you get ANY of your
==>information from sources other than NARAL?
What's NARAL? Seriously. I've never heard of it.
==> After you learn how to use
==>a newsreader and reply to posts properly, you might want to take a
==>trip to your local library and try to find some information sources
==>that aren't probort propaganda.
After you learn to conduct a debate intelligently,
without your puerile reliance on ridicule and
ad hominem arguments, you might want to
try thinking for yourself, and find some
information sources that don't come from
Bible-blasted morons who imagine that each
fetus was planted in the womb by some
supernatural daddy residing in a heavenly
never-never land.
==>Anything to discourage the one million plus senseless killing of
==>defenseless human life each year is an improvement over what we have
==>now.
Discourage all you like. It's a free country
(supposedly). Just don't mess with the law and
people's right to make their own choices, based
on their own consciences.
[snip]
==>> ==>> ==>Doubtful. Roe v. Wade was brought about in the first place by a
Texas
==>> ==>> ==>woman who was pregnant and too lazy to get to California for a
legal
==>> ==>> ==>abortion.
==>> IG:
==>> ==>> Now there's a stone lie if I've ever heard one.
==>> ==>You obviously haven't read the background of Roe v. Wade. Allow me to
==>> ==>quote for you:
==>> ==>
==>> ==>"Roe alleged that she was unmarried and pregnant; that she wished to
==>> ==>terminate her pregnancy by an abortion "performed by a competent,
==>> ==>licensed physician, under safe, clinical conditions"; that she was
==>> ==>unable to get a "legal" abortion in Texas because her life did not
==>> ==>appear to be threatened by the continuation of her pregnancy; and that
==>> ==>she could not afford to travel to another jurisdiction in order to
==>> ==>secure a legal abortion under safe conditions."
IG:
==>> As I said, the assertion that McCorvey was "too lazy"
==>> to travel to California for an abortion is a stone
==>> lie; a dishonourable attempt at slander, and
==>> unworthy of even an anti-choice fanatic.
==>That is NOT what you said, LIAR. The gist of my statement was that
==>Roe brought about the suit because she couldn't go to another state
==>where abortions were legal to obtain one.
You're delusional, and your attempt to revise
history is pathetic. The material you yourself quoted
states that McCorvey "could not afford to travel to
another jurisdiction."
As anyone who can read can see for themselves,
you said she was "too lazy" to travel to
California for an abortion. That's a lie. That makes
you a liar, branded so by your own hand.
==>You dismissed the entire
==>statement as a 'stone lie'.
No, just your absurd lie that she was "lazy." I
understand why you would do that, though.
You anti-choice zealots are so bankrupt when
it comes to logic, common sense and knowledge
of the law, you are ever reduced to character-
assassination, slander and demonization of your
dialectical foes in your attempts to further your
cause.
[snip]
==>Enjoy that crow, son. Then find someone who can teach you to discern
==>the difference between the truth and a lie, because obviously your
==>parents didn't.
May I suggest you enrol in an anger-management
course? You sound like someone being eaten
alive by repressed rage. Perhaps that comes from
having been abused and dominated by *your*
parents who, in any case, seem to have saddled
you with a disastrously erroneous conception of
how the universe works.
[snip]
IG:
==>> From the SCOTUS Roe vs. Wade ruling:
==>>
==>> "3. State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that
==>> except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother's
==>> behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other
==>> interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth
==>> Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy,
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