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   > "Ivan Gowch"  wrote in message   
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   > > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:08:53 GMT,  wrote:   
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   > > ==>You still have not explained how drawing a breath   
   > > ==>can transform a lump of tissue into a human.   
   > >   
   > > I never said that drawing breath transforms   
   > > a lump of tissue into a *human.*   
   > >   
   > > I said it transforms a fetus into a *person.*   
   >   
   > The first definition of person in the Merriam Webster's Dictionary is " a   
   > human"   
   > >   
   > > ==>In fact, there is no exact act or moment that does that.   
   > >   
   > > Yes, there is.  Before the umbilical cord is   
   > > cut and the human organism breathes on   
   > > its own, it remains part of the mother.  The   
   > > instant it breathes, it becomes a person,   
   > > entitled to all the protections against   
   > > homicide, abuse and other types of maltreatment   
   > > any other person is entitled to.   
   > >   
   > > What is so difficult to understand about this?   
   >   
   > A little knowledge of biology would allow you to see that there is no   
   exact   
   > moment for such a transformation.   
   > >   
   > > ==> We should  allow   
   > > ==>for a chance at abortion but not allow it up to full term.   
   > >   
   > > "We" should mind our own damn business   
   > > and refrain from telling women what they   
   > > may do with their bodies -- and anything   
   > > that may be growing inside those bodies.   
   >   
   > That is the question. Your pontificating your view does not constitute   
   > reasoned argument.   
   > >   
   > > ==>Young people, who often see things clearly, ask why you can kill a   
   > fetus one   
   > > ==>second before birth but not one second after birth.   
   > > ==>You cannot tell them can you?   
   > >   
   > > I certainly can.  I just did.  See above.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > ==>Think about it.   
   > >   
   > > That's my advice to you.   
      
   So, if a fetus is property just like all other property then it can be sold   
   as all property can. A mother can sell her fetus to another   
   person and allow that person to do what they want with it. You really need   
   to think out the implications   
   of your positions.   
      
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