XPost: talk.politics, alt.law-enforcement, alt.true-crime
XPost: talk.philosophy.humanism
From: gowch@SPAMTHEENOThotmail.com
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:57:30 GMT, wrote:
[snip]
==>You seem to take your positions at random. Do you flip a coin to see how you
==>will argue today?
You are insane. I'm as consistent as the sunrise.
==>Now, listen carefully and I will explain your position to you.
This ought to be rich.
==>You believe that a fetus, the child before it is born, is the property of
==>the mother.
Right so far.
==> You believe that
==>it is property in the same exact sense as the lead acid battery that you so
==>strangely mentioned would be to it's owner. Hence, you believe that she can
==>do whatever she wants with it.
Uh, the lead-acid battery analogy was
not mine. I was merely pointing out the
absurdity of the example to its creator.
Perhaps you ought to read postings a
bit more carefully before making a fool
of yourself.
==>You believe that there is some clear demarcation between the intrinsic
==>natures of the fetus before birth
==>and the neonate after birth,
You got that right also.
==> a position for which there is not the slightest
==>evidence.
No evidence? You honour, allow me to
introduce as Exhibit 1, the umbilical
cord.
==>I believe that we cannot draw a sharp dividing line between a human after
==>cutting the cord
==>and before cutting the cord.
How nice for you. But how does that show that
I "seem to take (my) positions at random"?
==> I believe that biological science supports me
==>on this.
How nice for you to believe this. But how does that
show that I "seem to take (my) positions at random"?
==>I want to give women much more freedom that they had in the past. I want
==>them to have all the freedom
==>they can have
Well, you are a peach, aren't you? But how does that
show that I "seem to take (my) positions at random"?
==> but with freedom does come some responsibilities.
No, with great POWER comes great
responsibility. Didn't you see Spiderman?
And you are utterly wrong. Freedom is freedom,
and freedom does not carry the "price" of
responsibility. The claim that it does, my friend,
is the mantra of every fascist who ever lived.
==>I want them to be able to shape their lives. It is not my business to tell
==>them what to do in any other aspect of their lives..
==>But I don't believe that they, or anyone, should have the full term of
==>pregnancy to make up their minds
==>about abortion
And you are entitled to that belief. But how does
that show that I "seem to take (my) positions at
random"?
==> unless, if it necessary to add, there are unusual
==>circumstances that put her life at risk or
==>would cause her health problems or would result in a child with reduced life
==>prospects.
"Put her life at risk" . . . "health problems" . . .
"reduced life prospects" . . . pretty vague criteria
for making exceptions, wouldn't you say?
We may not be so far apart on this after all.
Carrying to term a fetus she does not want certainly
puts a woman's life "at risk," and would definitely
cause her to suffer "health problems."
There is also no doubt that a child born to a mother
who did not want to be one has "reduced life
prospects."
So, it seems we agree on the essentials.
Congratulations for coming around.
But as you can see, your post was all about what
YOU believe, without a shred of evidence of your
claim that I take my positions at random.
As I said, I'm as consistent as it's possible to be
on this issue. It's you who seem to lack a clear
idea of where you stand.
Try arguing from facts and opinions you can support,
and you won't seem so clueless.
--
Better an abortion clinic on every streetcorner
than the birth of one more unwanted child.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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