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   From: DEMI_GOD_@SHAW.CA   
      
   And I predict wholeheartedly that Grendel is the first in line to experience   
   the whole purpose of incarceration as he sees it.   
      
   Noticing that he hasn't seen any better in his life than being in   
   COck-suckers "custody", and taking advantage of deliberate perpetuation of   
   wasteful spending of tax-payers' dollars, I won't be surprised, if he'd   
   prefer to be a slave to the incarceration industry, than a responsible   
   individual, but in another country...   
      
   Just like Sissy, he is also sounds like a nubie, and he won't last long,   
   even one year.   
      
   "LaW Man"  wrote in message   
   news:rR%Cb.150858$M02.135438@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...   
   > Very interesting post. I agree wholeheartedly!   
   >   
   >   
   > "Grendel"  wrote in message   
   > news:695b34f9.0312140024.586831d5@posting.google.com...   
   > > "_ G O D _"  wrote in message   
   > news:...   
   > > > But you have also missed most of the facts which are also oppose its   
   > > > existence and perpetuation. Such as:   
   > > >   
   > > > 1. Incarceration is conflicting with essential and inalienable human   
   > rights   
   > > > to have a fair trial,   
   > >   
   > > One has an inalienable human right to a fair trial?  One may be   
   > > promised this in the eyes of the law, this bears no resemblance to   
   > > real life outside of the justice system. Here's a nice experiment:  At   
   > > the next big meeting of NAACP, walk right in and shoot either Jesse   
   > > Jackson, or Mr. Sharpton or some other African-American of some   
   > > standing(or if you prefer, make it David Duke at a KKK rally).  Make   
   > > sure you do this in full sight of all the attendees.  When the crowd   
   > > is advancing on you with revenge on it's mind be sure to tell them   
   > > that it is your inalienable human right to a fair trial.  While you   
   > > wait for that why don't you tell us that we have an inalienable human   
   > > right for life to be fair.  Guess what, IT AIN'T!   
   > >   
   > > > to be alive,   
   > >   
   > > One has an inalienable human right to try and survive.  It doesn't   
   > > automatically follow that one has an inalienable human right to be   
   > > alive.   
   > >   
   > > > to enjoy liberty,   
   > >   
   > > What if one doesn't enjoy liberty, but abhores it instead?  Many   
   > > people have never experienced liberty.  Thus it does not follow that   
   > > it is an inalienable human right.  It has to be earned and then   
   > > protected.   
   > >   
   > > > to have a fair pay for one's labor,   
   > >   
   > > Ah, but one has to actually labor to recieve this.  One is responsible   
   > > for finding a skill/occupation that others are willing to pay for.  If   
   > > you are unwilling to do this then you don't have an inalienable human   
   > > right to a living wage for performing work that a trained monkey can   
   > > also accomplish.   
   > >   
   > > > as well to have dignity in his own activity or work.   
   > >   
   > > Dignity is an inalienable human right?  Bullshit.  Dignity is   
   > > something you obtain through hard work and earning the respect of your   
   > > peers.  Someone who shows late up to work reeking of alcohol and   
   > > unwashed expecting "dignity" is in for a good dose or reality.   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > 2. Incarceration industry is very damaging to individuals' inalienable   
   > > > rights   
   > >   
   > > You stated this in your first point.  You were proven wrong.   
   > >   
   > > These are the only inalienable human rights you have.   
   > > To be born(though this is questionable. It's actually pure chance).   
   > > To try and survive and/or prosper.   
   > > To defend yourself.   
   > > To be held accountable for your actions.   
   > > To die.   
   > >   
   > > You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any other   
   > > form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but   
   > > no one is guaranteeing anything.   
   > >   
   > > You do not have the right to never be offended.   
   > >   
   > > You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a   
   > > screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the   
   > > tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently   
   > > wealthy.   
   > >   
   > > You do not have the right to free food and housing.   
   > >   
   > > You do not have the right to free health care.   
   > >   
   > > You do not have the right to physically harm other people.   
   > >   
   > > You do not have the right to the possessions of others.   
   > >   
   > > You don't have the right to a job.   
   > >   
   > > You do not have the right to happiness. This must be found on your   
   > > own.   
   > >   
   > > Prisons serve a purpose.  They separate those that would do harm to   
   > > innocents from said innocents.  This result has also been attempted   
   > > through penal colonies (see: Australia), work farms and (my favorite)   
   > > hangin/firing squads/torture dungeons.   
   > >   
   > > It's actually real simple.  You don't like Prisons?  Then try to live   
   > > your life in such a way as you'll never be subjected to one (dang, I   
   > > think that's the entire idea right there). In the mean time, shut up   
   > > about what you 'think' are your "inalienable human rights".   
   > >   
   > > Yol Bolsum,   
   > > Grendel.   
   > >   
   > > "Jesus only told us half of it.  The Truth WILL set you free, but it's   
   > > gonna piss you off first."-Soloman Short.   
   >   
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