From: rrufiange@cfl.rr.com   
      
   "Nadacomin"  wrote in message   
   news:20031215102924.12223.00001079@mb-m05.aol.com...   
   > With the exception of critter's reply, the tone of this discussion seems   
   to be   
   > about the same as any other discussion of crime and punishment or politics   
   and   
   > social issues in here.   
   > The overal tone seems to be, well, we did this, and they did that, and   
   someone   
   > else did the other thing, so, I guess that means that nobody has the right   
   to   
   > do anything to or about Saddam Hussien. One guy even brought up the NYPD   
   toilet   
   > plunger.   
      
   So, I guess losing governing power over one's country, as well as losing the   
   lives of your children to opposing soldiers, isn't punishment?   
      
   I'm not in any way saying Saddam shouldn't be punished, merely pointing out   
   that he has been punished already, after a fashion.  If he is punished   
   further, who gets to decide when the punishment ends, or who carries said   
   punishment out?  My guess is not an Iraqi citizen.   
      
   > So, I guess anybody can soddomize your kid, right on the playground, and   
   then   
   > beat down and soddomize the recess monitor, and, it would be ok because   
   someone   
   > in NYPD rammed a toilet plunger up somebodies butt. And, to top it off,   
   you get   
   > a pass for the next thirty years or so, as long as anyone remembers that   
   > isolated incident.   
      
   Who the hell said that?   
      
   > I guess the only people anyone here wants to see punished are cops and   
   > corrections officers.   
      
   That'd mean the majority here are siding with Vadiot, who suggests   
   banishment for offenses.  I certainly hope that's not the case.   
      
   > Would it help if you thought of Saddam as his nation's cheif correction   
   > officer? He is the one who said what goes in the prisons.   
   > He is the guy who ordered the prison cleared and all the inmates executed,   
   to   
   > make room for more.   
   > What do you think of that? Maybe that was ok, if most of the inmates were   
   > political prisoners, rather than good ol common scumbags such as rapos,   
   > thieves, dope dealers and killers?   
   > Most of you people have the twisted, non logic of liberals, politically   
   correct   
   > people, feminists, and, other lefty liberal dumbshits. It's no damn wonder   
   most   
   > of you have criminal records.   
      
   I wasn't aware that a grand total of 3 people constituted "most".   
      
   I personally believe that anyone who commits an afront upon anyone else, be   
   punished.   
   How they are punished should be conditional on a variety of factors, crime   
   history, moral standing, action, as well as intent.  What did they do, and   
   why?   
      
   This goes for anyone, thug on the street, corrections officer, President, or   
   terrorist.   
      
   Otherwise, we'd be punishing for the physical act alone, rather than the   
   reasoning behind it, and self-defense would be GONE, as would any and all   
   morally redeeming circumstances.  All we'd have left is guilt by reflex, why   
   have a trial at all then?   
      
   So, yes, I am for anyone being punished for their crimes.   
      
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