From: ron.sam{please-remove}@cox.net   
      
   "Pavel Brown"  wrote in message   
   news:expatriate3925-526460.14323421122003@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...   
   > In article ,   
   >  "rl"  wrote:   
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   > > What do you consider "hateful and unprofessional" with respect to   
   offenders?   
   > > Or for that matter the admin, advocates, job, etc.?   
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   > Statements which demean, degrade or otherwise potentially portray   
   > inmates as victims of OUR poor behavior. And yes... you can argue that   
   > they deserve it if you like. But we are supposed to be the one's in   
   > control of our behavior. So running around talking this way makes us   
   > look unprofessional.   
      
   I certainly didn't see any of that in the start of this thread.  Maybe you   
   did.   
   COs, like every one else on this planet are human beings.  We're subject to   
   the same frustrations, irritations, and shortcomings as anyone else.  I'd   
   rather see someone log onto this group and vent than take it out on an   
   inmate.   
      
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   > > Do we need to fall into lock step behind every decision that is made by   
   > > Administration?   
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   > No.   
      
   Good.  Glad to hear that.   
      
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   > Is every decision they make the "right" or "best" decision?   
   > > Is every Administrator the best person for the job?   
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   > No, of course not.   
      
   But we're not allowed to openly question it?   
      
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   >   Or, like in most   
   > > industries, do we tend to promote and hire those people best suited for   
   ass   
   > > kissing the person ahead of them?   
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   > I'm sure that there are at least a couple of sargeants reading this who   
   > might not feel that this is why they were promoted.   
      
   Don't know where you're from, but in my locale, Sargeants (sic) are not   
   admin.   
      
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   > > Are we expected to just take it with a grain of salt when some inmate   
   acts   
   > > out and exposes us (and perhaps even our families and loved ones by   
   proxy)   
   > > to Hep C, AIDS, etc.   
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   > No. You do what you've been trained to do.   
      
   And become an alcoholic, a wife beater, and generally alienate my entire   
   family because of the pent up rage that I feel?  I don't think so.  Maybe   
   they should spend more time training staff how to properly vent and release   
   their frustrations rather than let it build up over years with silly remarks   
   like, "Do what you've been trained to do".  We might have fewer incidents of   
   inapproprite uses of force if we did.   
      
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   >   Is that OK?   
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   > It's not ok.   
      
   Then I recommend you give some serious thought to helping your staff deal   
   with feelings of rage before you promote.   
      
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   > Just part of the job?   
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   > Yep. It is.   
      
   Sorry you feel that way.  I don't expect any of my staff to feel like being   
   assaulted is just "part of the job".  And I hope like hell you aren't one of   
   my bosses.  We're going to have one hell of a pissing contest the first time   
   you try to tell me or my staff, "Tough shit.  Deal with it.  It's part of   
   the job."   
      
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   > > Are we supposed to support all the inmate advocacy groups who appear to   
   have   
   > > only one thing on their minds:  Namely making life easier and easier for   
   > > inmates, ensuring the consequences for their anti-social behavior are   
   less   
   > > and less, and all the while making the working conditions more and more   
   > > dangerous for these same people who you won't allow to voice their   
   concerns?   
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   > No. But you need to conduct yourself in a way that doesn't give people   
   > fuel for their fire. Act like a shit to an advocate, and you just made   
   > him that much stronger, that much more convinced that he was right about   
   > you all along. It's a basic public relations concept. The same reason   
   > that the military spends as much money as it does trying to win over the   
   > people that they just bombed into nothingness.   
      
   There's a big difference between acting like a shit and making sure the   
   general public knows the real deal.  I'm all for the latter.  I think if the   
   general public knew what a total cush place prison was, they'd be up in   
   arms.   
      
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   > Do you seriously think that you are going to win any arguments with   
   > these people by being argumentative and confrontational? You need to   
   > show them that they are wrong about you. That is the fastest way to   
   > change their minds.   
      
   Do you really think you can change a hard core prison reformists mind?   
   lol   
   Don't forget.  You're the bad guy.  You always were.  You always will be.   
      
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   > > Does "Professional" = "Automaton" in your dictionary?   
      
   ---snipped---   
   The rest of it.  If I wanted to read Webster's, I'd look it up myself.   
   Have a nice day.   
      
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