From: ghost_of_morphy@poorconfusedstewie.com   
      
   "Pavel Brown"  wrote in message   
   news:expatriate3925-49101A.13371221122003@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...   
   > In article ,   
   >  "Morphy's ghost"  wrote:   
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   > > I am NOT paid to be a victim. and neither are you nor any other person.   
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   > We get paid to expose ourselves to victimizers day in and day out. You   
   > cannot seriously expect people to be aghast at the fact that we are   
   > victimized. It comes with the job... you know it.   
      
   Not so.  We are both, in varying ways, paid to modify inmate behavior.  You   
   can't be a victim unless you have failed at this.  And if you consistently   
   fail at this, you do not belong in prison, whether or not you have been   
   victimized.   
      
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   > > > Sure. My problem lies with those folks who want the job, but act like   
   > > > they shouldn't have to put up with the negative aspects of it.   
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   > > No one should have to put up with indecent exposure, assault, having   
   shit or   
   > > piss thrown on them, etc. etc. etc.   
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   > No they shouldn't, and there is an appropriate way of responding to it.   
   > Corrections prefessionals are taught to expect it though aren't they?   
   > There is no surprise in it. If you want the job, then you are going to   
   > have to put yourself at some risk.   
      
   There is a big difference between being put at risk to be vicitmized, and   
   being paid to be victimized.  People who expect the worst of an inmate will   
   always receive it.   
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   > > > > This is the kind of thing that made nadacomin suspect you were an   
   > > > > administrator.   
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   > > > Yeah whatever... the man can believe whatever he wants.   
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   > > My first guess was a counselor, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong too, now.   
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   > Counselor.   
      
      
   Then, as a counselor, you know that it is futile to lead someone into a path   
   where they do not first WANT to go.  Apply that here, and you'll see why   
   your position towards nadacomin is self-defeating.   
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   > > > If it makes me look bad by association, I sure as hell will.   
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   > > This is why I think you are probably not a counselor.  You don't have   
   enough   
   > > respect for other's choices.   
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   > Yeah... you're damn straight I have no respect for his choice to bring   
   > everyone down with his behavior. He's supposed to be the one in control   
   > right? He's supposed to be a professional right? He wants some respect   
   > right? Respect for his job right? What the hell is there to respect   
   > about the type of whining, crying, and bitching that he does? What is   
   > there to respect in the way that he responds to someone who asks a   
   > serious question by talking a bunch of shit? Don't you realize how much   
   > damage this kind of stupidity causes? Walk with your head up, you're   
   > doing a serious and professional job.   
      
   I'll tell you what there is to respect.  As near as I can tell he gets up   
   every morning and goes to work and does the job that he's paid to do.   
   That's enough from any CO to earn my respect.  As for the whining, bitching,   
   and crying, respect for that is enshrined in the First Amendment to the   
   Constitution.   
      
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   > > > I am very well accustomed to poor coping strategies. I'm sick of   
   seeing   
   > > > them on the wrong side of the cage.   
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   > > Better get used to it.  Everyone was on the right side of the cage   
   before   
   > > they got on the wrong side.  And most of them on the wrong side will be   
   > > coming back out sooner or later.   
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   > Sad thing is when you see them wearing the wrong uniform though.   
      
      
   Better get used to that too.....   
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   > > > I'm not surprised that it is there, but I'm sure fed up with how much   
   of   
   > > > it is out there.   
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   > > Well, if you expect CO's to tolerate the abuse, surely you can tolerate   
   them   
   > > bitching about it, right?   
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   > I can tolerate it... but not when these fools get up on a soapbox and   
   > start shaping public opinions. Do what you want in front of each other,   
   > and in the lockers, but when you are out in the public domain you have a   
   > responsibility beyond yourself. You have a responsibility to recognize   
   > that people associate us and identify us as a collective group. When you   
   > make yourself into a fool, you make everyone like you into a fool. You   
   > might not mind that, but I for one sure do.   
      
      
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   > P.   
      
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