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   From: lift@horizon   
      
   "nan"  wrote in message   
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   > "Reilly"  wrote in message   
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   > > "nan"  wrote in message   
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   > > > Pavel Brown  wrote in message   
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   > > > > In article <8f49fa86.0312161239.68ca61f6@posting.google.com>,   
   > > > >  nanleecro@hotmail.com (nan) wrote:   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > > I am not so wistful and I don't find it funny, not even ironic, that   
   > > > there are differences between persons' progressions.  Perhaps there   
   > > > are diverse defining moments that made it so.  I don't embrace the   
   > > > Death Penalty with vengeful glee, I assure you.   
   > >   
   > > > Who would live in a society where murderers did not pay in   
   > > > full compensation, and WHAT is the full and just compensation   
   > > > for killing another?  Except in lesser degree cases, it's forfeit   
   > > > of the murderer's life.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > I would live in such a society.     In fact, I already do.      We have   
   no   
   > > DP in Australia and a homicide rate only 25% that of the USA's.   
   >   
   > I believe that is because Aussies are just less inclined to murder -   
   > they have better things to do. I am sure different social factors than   
   > the U.S. entered into it too.   
      
   What factors do you believe make Australians are less inclined to murder   
   each other?    (I can think of one *major* factor - but strangely many DP   
   advocates reject this as being a factor...)   
      
   > If your heinous murder rate increased,   
   > many citizens would push for the DP, and you know it - it's human.   
   > Your murder rate isn't low because there is no DP; you have no DP   
   > because the murder rate is tolerablely low.  There are U.S. states   
   > which do not have the DP.   
      
   There is truth in that.   Many advocates of the DP (although not you, to be   
   fair) argue that the DP is necessary to deter homicide - I think   
   international examples (Canada, Australia, Western Europe) show that this   
   demonstrably isn't true.   
      
   > Australian aboriginals have land reclamation claims against the   
   > government, and that is serious matter for justice's sake, isn't it?   
      
   Yes, it is.   There are federal laws and tribunals set up to arbitrate in   
   these cases.   
      
   > Happy Holidays downunder, from Nan   
      
   Happy Holidays,   
   Reilly.   
      
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