XPost: alt.law-enforcement, alt.thebird.copwatch, nyc.general   
   XPost: alt.true-crime   
   From: central222@hotmail.com   
      
   jaybird wrote:   
   >   
   > "frog"  wrote in message   
   > news:3c0a3d12.0312211007.30c8cd86@posting.google.com...   
   > > "LaW Man"  wrote in   
   > > > Well, it seems we agree on this point. Thanks.   
   > >   
   > > I need a little help on this please.  Is this how officers of the law   
   > > are trained to deal with citizens who are mental patients?  I am not   
   > > condemning all officers of the law with my posting of these articles.   
   > > I am concerned, for one reason, because my younger sister is   
   > > schizophrenic. So, therefore, I do have experience on these matters. I   
   > > have never had to use deadly force on her to protect her, myself or   
   > > anyone else (yes there have been irrational moments of danger).  Are   
   > > some officers who choose to use deadly force allowed to be judge,   
   > > jury, and executioner, so to speak?  It seems to me it is highly   
   > > possible too unarm a citizen of a knife with a baton bat to the wrist,   
   > > etc.  How do officers of the law go from initiating a taser subduction   
   > > to two fatal shots in the chest, avoiding attacking the shoulders   
   > > first and then the legs? This officer has but 2 1/2 years experience.   
   > > Does anyone think this may have been a factor?   
   > > I end up with more questions than answers on this. Again I am not here   
   > > to condemmn all officers of the law, but I am allowed to question some   
   > > of their actions. Any response is greatly appreciated.   -frog   
   >   
   > Yes, it is how they are trained to deal with anyone in this situation   
   > regardless of their mental state.   
      
      
   You would kill your own child if he refused to drop a knife?   
      
   You, in fact, wouldn't kill "anyone" that refused to drop a knife.   
      
   Only undesirables.   
      
   >You don't have to look any further for   
   > your answers than the law books for your state.  There it will tell you what   
   > level of force is permissable by anyone, not just cops.  If a person has a   
   > knife and they are threatening imminent serious bodily injury or death, then   
   > any person can use deadly force against that person regardless of their   
   > mental state.   
      
   Unless the threatening person is a cop pointing a gun at you and you   
   have committed no crime.   
      
   A citizen is not allowed to percieve a threat by a cop(God) as a threat.   
      
   > From the movies it may appear that it's easy to knock a knife   
   > from someone's hand with a baton, but it's not that way in real life.   
      
   Mental patients are disarmed every day by non-cops.   
      
   > A   
   > knife can be met by a gun according to the law.  The cops used a taser, that   
   > didn't work, so the next level of force is a firearm to stop that threat.   
   > They were being generous in using the taser in the first place.   
      
   Hitler acted within his laws too.   
      
      
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   > jaybird   
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   > I am not the cause of your problems.   
   > My actions are the result of your actions.   
   > Your life is not my fault.   
      
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