XPost: alt.law-enforcement, alt.thebird.copwatch, nyc.general
XPost: alt.true-crime
From: central222@hotmail.com
jaybird wrote:
>
> "Morf" wrote in message
> news:3FE9CCB9.5BCF@hotmail.com...
> > jaybird wrote:
> > >
> > > "frog" wrote in message
> > > news:3c0a3d12.0312211007.30c8cd86@posting.google.com...
> > > > "LaW Man" wrote in
> > > > > Well, it seems we agree on this point. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > I need a little help on this please. Is this how officers of the law
> > > > are trained to deal with citizens who are mental patients? I am not
> > > > condemning all officers of the law with my posting of these articles.
> > > > I am concerned, for one reason, because my younger sister is
> > > > schizophrenic. So, therefore, I do have experience on these matters. I
> > > > have never had to use deadly force on her to protect her, myself or
> > > > anyone else (yes there have been irrational moments of danger). Are
> > > > some officers who choose to use deadly force allowed to be judge,
> > > > jury, and executioner, so to speak? It seems to me it is highly
> > > > possible too unarm a citizen of a knife with a baton bat to the wrist,
> > > > etc. How do officers of the law go from initiating a taser subduction
> > > > to two fatal shots in the chest, avoiding attacking the shoulders
> > > > first and then the legs? This officer has but 2 1/2 years experience.
> > > > Does anyone think this may have been a factor?
> > > > I end up with more questions than answers on this. Again I am not here
> > > > to condemmn all officers of the law, but I am allowed to question some
> > > > of their actions. Any response is greatly appreciated. -frog
> > >
> > > Yes, it is how they are trained to deal with anyone in this situation
> > > regardless of their mental state.
> >
> >
> > You would kill your own child if he refused to drop a knife?
> >
> > You, in fact, wouldn't kill "anyone" that refused to drop a knife.
> >
> > Only undesirables.
>
> My own child as a threat would be different to me because of the knowledge
> that I have of his or her past behavior. Cops coming into a new situation
> don't have that luxury.
In the ghetto you would just blow someone else's kid away, though.
Imported cops kill instantaneously when away from their own
neighborhood.
> > >You don't have to look any further for
> > > your answers than the law books for your state. There it will tell you
> what
> > > level of force is permissable by anyone, not just cops. If a person has
> a
> > > knife and they are threatening imminent serious bodily injury or death,
> then
> > > any person can use deadly force against that person regardless of their
> > > mental state.
> >
> > Unless the threatening person is a cop pointing a gun at you and you
> > have committed no crime.
> >
> > A citizen is not allowed to percieve a threat by a cop(God) as a threat.
> >
> > > From the movies it may appear that it's easy to knock a knife
> > > from someone's hand with a baton, but it's not that way in real life.
> >
> > Mental patients are disarmed every day by non-cops.
>
> That's fine. Cops are not those non-cops.
True, cops are inferior and homicidal compared to medical professionals.
> > > A
> > > knife can be met by a gun according to the law. The cops used a taser,
> that
> > > didn't work, so the next level of force is a firearm to stop that
> threat.
> > > They were being generous in using the taser in the first place.
> >
> > Hitler acted within his laws too.
>
> Yes, but they were his own. Our laws are made from the majority of our
> citizenry.
Never happened. The majority of the citizens never voted in their lives.
Bush and Gore got 50 million votes in the last election
50 million voters is only 16.66...% of the citizenry.
16.66...% is not even close to a majority.
16.66...% demand the other 83% obey them.
US laws being based on the wishes of the majority is a masturbatory
fantasy.
66% of the citizens don't vote.
They are the clear-cut majority.
> ---
> jaybird
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