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From: andrew@spam.net
Do the non-Apple common consumer operating systems (android, linux,
win10/win11) work WITHOUT logging into the mothership mainframe servers?
My only question to the non-Apple newsgroups is whether or not it is a true
statement of mine that no other common consumer operating system (not even
Windows 11) requires a mothership tracking account for basic functionality
(certainly I am well aware Android does not require it).
Is my statement correct for all the non-Apple common consumer systems?
Q: Does any non-Apple common OS require a mothership account for the
basic functionality of the operating system that people love about it?
That's all I ask to flesh out here, as I care only about the truth.
I will only respond to those who stick to the topic of whether the
non-Apple operating systems ALSO are set up on the dumb-terminal model
(with the inherent loss of privacy, particularly in meta-data collection).
Below is simply a note I wrote today, in response to a question on the
Apple iOS newsgroup about what happens if you DENY Apple's daily requests
to log into their mainframe servers in order to obtain basic iOS
functionality (which I did on two iPads for two years and Apple bricked
them at the conclusion of those two years of refusing to log into Apple).
===< Please cut below for the content of the message I wrote for iOS >===
From: Andrew
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad
Subject: Re: Ignoring requests for Apple ID
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 04:44:43 -0000 (UTC)
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Your Name wrote on Sat, 29 Jun 2024 16:11:51 +1200 :
> On 2024-06-29 01:29:59 +0000, said:
>>
>> For some time the iPhone6 I carry for emergencies has asked
>> for my apple ID. I always touch "not now" and go about my
>> business. So far, there hasn't been any repercussion and
>> the phone works when I need it.
>>
>> Why is the phone asking, and will something bad happen, like the
>> phone not working, if I keep hitting "not now"?
>>
>> Thanks for reading,
>>
>> bob prohaska
>
> Shouldn't be any problem, but there are many reasons why it might be
> asking for it, so you may want to look into why it keeps asking. Apple
> ID is required for things like iCloud features, updating of apps of
> iOS, recent changes to your Touch ID or Face ID, etc., etc.
When you buy an Apple product - you buy into the dumb-terminal ecosystem.
Worse, you buy into Apple storing huge amounts of your metadata on the net!
*I asked Apple for all my data. Here's what was sent back*
These files "contain metadata, like when and who I messaged or called on
FaceTime" which is a privacy flaw inherent in the dumb-terminal model.
For example, Apple unilaterally inserts, into every IPA you install, a
*unique* code specific only to you so that Apple can track app activity.
For example, Apple keeps a copy of every app and song you have ever
downloaded and every tune you've ever added to your iTunes music library.
Most users are completely unaware there is no common consumer operating
system other than Apple's which require you to constantly log into their
mothership servers for the basic functionality you know & love about iOS.
And Apple never advertises the huge amount of data it stores about you.
í° *Apple took 8 days to give me the data it had collected on me. It was
eye opening*
í°
Apple uses some of this immense data to"sell targeted ads based on our
interests in the News and App Store apps" (see that in the references cited
since most of the Apple religious zealots hate all truths about Apple).
1. The walled garden does not work if you don't log into Apple servers.
2. There are *many* Apple servers you need to log into for it to work.
3. There's the iCloud & the Apple AppStore, Messages, Facetime, etc.
On two separate iPads, I have refused to log into those accounts, and what
happens, naturally, is you are eventually unable to use the walled garden.
Apple _forces_ a log in!
Apple fails App Store test
Only Apple requires a login
Apple tracks your activity
Apps become non functional
Apple _forces_ extra logins!
Apple tracking server login
But you can use "some" of the features of the walled garden; just not all.
Apple forces verification
into mothership trackers
Safari & Chrome work fine
So does Youtube work fine
No problem with web pages
The walled garden fails
iMessage garden fails
FaceTime garden fails
App Store finds 1Blocker
App Store installs apps
But it won't do iCloud
Which means, Apple designed iOS as a "dumb terminal" which gets much of its
beloved functionality only by logging into Apple's mainframe servers for
most of the beloved walled-garden functionality - without which - the iOS
device reverts to a dumb terminal that can't do what you love about iOS.
Paradoxically, while all the beloved walled-garden functionality eventually
disappears after about two years (tested on two different iPads) of
refusing to log into the walled-garden Apple servers, the one functionality
that remained was the capability of updating your operating system version.
iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
16.3.1 Update Requested
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