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On 6/28/2024 9:54 PM, Andrew wrote:
> Do the non-Apple common consumer operating systems (android, linux,
> win10/win11) work WITHOUT logging into the mothership mainframe servers?
>
> My only question to the non-Apple newsgroups is whether or not it is a true
> statement of mine that no other common consumer operating system (not even
> Windows 11) requires a mothership tracking account for basic functionality
> (certainly I am well aware Android does not require it).
>
> Is my statement correct for all the non-Apple common consumer systems?
> Q: Does any non-Apple common OS require a mothership account for the
> basic functionality of the operating system that people love about it?
>
> That's all I ask to flesh out here, as I care only about the truth.
>
> I will only respond to those who stick to the topic of whether the
> non-Apple operating systems ALSO are set up on the dumb-terminal model
> (with the inherent loss of privacy, particularly in meta-data collection).
>
> Below is simply a note I wrote today, in response to a question on the
> Apple iOS newsgroup about what happens if you DENY Apple's daily requests
> to log into their mainframe servers in order to obtain basic iOS
> functionality (which I did on two iPads for two years and Apple bricked
> them at the conclusion of those two years of refusing to log into Apple).
>
> ===< Please cut below for the content of the message I wrote for iOS >===
> From: Andrew
> Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad
> Subject: Re: Ignoring requests for Apple ID
> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 04:44:43 -0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID:
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>
> Your Name wrote on Sat, 29 Jun 2024 16:11:51 +1200 :
>
> > On 2024-06-29 01:29:59 +0000, said:
> >>
> >> For some time the iPhone6 I carry for emergencies has asked
> >> for my apple ID. I always touch "not now" and go about my
> >> business. So far, there hasn't been any repercussion and
> >> the phone works when I need it.
> >>
> >> Why is the phone asking, and will something bad happen, like the
> >> phone not working, if I keep hitting "not now"?
> >>
> >> Thanks for reading,
> >>
> >> bob prohaska
> >
> > Shouldn't be any problem, but there are many reasons why it might be
> > asking for it, so you may want to look into why it keeps asking. Apple
> > ID is required for things like iCloud features, updating of apps of
> > iOS, recent changes to your Touch ID or Face ID, etc., etc.
>
> When you buy an Apple product - you buy into the dumb-terminal ecosystem.
>
> Worse, you buy into Apple storing huge amounts of your metadata on the net!
> *I asked Apple for all my data. Here's what was sent back*
>
>
> These files "contain metadata, like when and who I messaged or called on
> FaceTime" which is a privacy flaw inherent in the dumb-terminal model.
>
> For example, Apple unilaterally inserts, into every IPA you install, a
> *unique* code specific only to you so that Apple can track app activity.
>
> For example, Apple keeps a copy of every app and song you have ever
> downloaded and every tune you've ever added to your iTunes music library.
>
> Most users are completely unaware there is no common consumer operating
> system other than Apple's which require you to constantly log into their
> mothership servers for the basic functionality you know & love about iOS.
>
> And Apple never advertises the huge amount of data it stores about you.
> ���*Apple took 8 days to give me the data it had collected on me. It
was
> eye opening*
> ���
>
> Apple uses some of this immense data to"sell targeted ads based on our
> interests in the News and App Store apps" (see that in the references cited
> since most of the Apple religious zealots hate all truths about Apple).
>
> 1. The walled garden does not work if you don't log into Apple servers.
> 2. There are *many* Apple servers you need to log into for it to work.
> 3. There's the iCloud & the Apple AppStore, Messages, Facetime, etc.
>
> On two separate iPads, I have refused to log into those accounts, and what
> happens, naturally, is you are eventually unable to use the walled garden.
> Apple _forces_ a log in!
> Apple fails App Store test
> Only Apple requires a login
> Apple tracks your activity
> Apps become non functional
> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
> Apple tracking server login
>
> But you can use "some" of the features of the walled garden; just not all.
> Apple forces verification
> into mothership trackers
> Safari & Chrome work fine
> So does Youtube work fine
> No problem with web pages
> The walled garden fails
> iMessage garden fails
> FaceTime garden fails
> App Store finds 1Blocker
> App Store installs apps
> But it won't do iCloud
>
> Which means, Apple designed iOS as a "dumb terminal" which gets much of its
> beloved functionality only by logging into Apple's mainframe servers for
> most of the beloved walled-garden functionality - without which - the iOS
> device reverts to a dumb terminal that can't do what you love about iOS.
>
> Paradoxically, while all the beloved walled-garden functionality eventually
> disappears after about two years (tested on two different iPads) of
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