XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad   
   From: andrew@spam.net   
      
   Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:28:13 -0000 (UTC) :   
      
   >> 1. Apple === 5 years (up to 1 release)   
   >   
   > Actually, using the same definition as Google/Samsung, that's up to 5   
   > releases. Apple releases a new ios every year so five years of support will   
   > provide 5 supported releases.   
      
   I'm logical. Sensible. My belief systems are based on facts, not emotions.   
      
   I appreciate that, of all the religious zealots, you're at least trying to   
   understand the differences between the substandard way Apple does things,   
   and the way every other operating system does their full hotfix support.   
      
   What you need to think about, and understand, is I already agreed with you   
   that we're absolutely positive that Microsoft *simultaneously* fully   
   supports multiple releases - which we *know* Apple does NOT do for macOS.   
      
   As for cellphone full hotfix support, again, we're absolutely positive that   
   Apple has *never* simultaneously supported more than a single iOS release.   
      
   That's just a fact based on Apple's own description of their support Chris.   
      
   What I will grant you, and which I thank you for brining up the level of   
   detail that eludes most of the Apple religious zealots, is that it could be   
   that Samsung/Google do not *simultaneously* support more than one release   
   at a time - although - my experience with the Galaxy A32-5G seems to show   
   that they do.   
      
   Still - I will grant you that we don't have it in writing that   
   Samsung/Google do NOT simultaneously support more than one of those 7   
   releases in 7 years, so I will take you up on the quest for more   
   information to ask the Android newsgroup for the data to nail the answer to   
   that question down.   
      
   Unlike you Apple religious zealots, I don't need to defend Google to the   
   death, and, Lord knows, I think they stink - so rest assured, I will strive   
   to find out the correct answer to that question you are asking of me.   
      
   I posted a query to the Android newsgroup - but we need to wait a bit   
   before people answer the question with references, hopefully, Chris.   
    From: Andrew    
    Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android   
    Subject: Do Google/Samsung SIMULTANEOUSLY fully support more than one release   
   at a time?   
    Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 23:24:14 -0000 (UTC)   
    Message-ID:    
      
    *Do Google/Samsung SIMULTANEOUSLY fully support more than one release at a   
   time?*   
       
      
   >> Yes. I understand your concern, but rest assured, for my free Samsung   
   >> Galaxy A32-5G for example (which is on 13 but was on 12 and 11 prior to   
   >> that), they have *always* fully supported multiple concurrent releases.   
   >   
   > Prove it. If they're fully supported, by your definition, they should have   
   > received the same number of patches in the last nine months and covered the   
   > same CVEs.   
      
   When the link propagates to the Usenet search engines, I will give you the   
   link to the thread that asks directly of Android users your question.   
      
   What we KNOW is Apple says they do not do SIMULTANEOUS full support.   
   What we want to narrow down is whether Google/Samsung say that, or not.   
      
   Remember, I'm nothing like you fundamentalist zealots in that I don't care   
   what the answer is - I just care that I know the correct answer, Chris.   
      
   Let's see what the Android team comes up with by way of reference cites.   
    *Do Google/Samsung SIMULTANEOUSLY fully support more than one release at a   
   time?*   
       
      
   >> In addition, Microsoft has also clearly fully supported multiple concurrent   
   >> releases (e.g., both Windows 11 and Windows 10 are fully supported today).   
   >>   
   >> While your concern is valid, if we simply compare Microsoft to Apple for   
   >> the PC, it's patently obvious M$ full support is far better than Apple's.   
   >   
   > Really? How many global breaches that have affected many multibillion orgs   
   > has windows been responsible for over the last 10 years?   
   > Then compare with macOS.   
   > I'll wait.   
      
   For known exploits, the information is all here for you to peruse.   
       
      
   >> Again, I am eminently logical such that I sympathize with your emotional   
   >> concerns that fixing all known bugs monthly in dozens of core packages   
   >> found in billions of Android 10 devices around the world from many OEMs is   
   >> of no importance to you as an Apple user (because Apple doesn't do that).   
   >   
   > The point you're missing is that if android only updates a select handful   
   > of services and leaves the remainder unpatched and vulnerable then that's   
   > not a fully supported OS. And is meaningless in terms of security.   
      
   I understand why you're so emotionally desperate to claim that updating   
   dozens of core modules for billions of Android phones monthly is   
   "meaningless" in terms of security, we'll just have to disagree on that.   
      
   What you're saying is no different than saying that it's meaningless to   
   have supplemental insurance on your home or vehicle, simply because the   
   supplemental insurance isn't complete. This is absurd, Chris.   
      
   Not only does Apple have nothing like this monthly supplemental updates to   
   over two dozen core modules, but Apple didn't even have the concept of a   
   hotfix patch until the iOS 16, Chris - which shows you how primitive the   
   Apple monolithic operating system updates are.   
      
   In summary, I get it that you consider supplemental insurance meaningless,   
   just as you consider if I gave you a bonus of $10K every month you'd   
   consider it meaningless because it's less than your standard salary... but   
   the fact you consider supplemental protection meaningless is more of a   
   function of your lack of understanding than anything else.   
      
   You're literally desperate to claim Apple does NOT have the worst operating   
   system bugfix support in the industry - and - well - if you could prove   
   that, I'd be all ears - but saying it's "meaningless" if I gave you $10K   
   every month in ADDITION to your full salary, is simply an absurd statement.   
      
   You're desperate because you *hate* that the facts are what they are.   
      
   Still, let's see what comes of the question I just asked moments ago that   
   you asked me to nail down the answer to - which I feel is a sensibly   
   logical question to ask - where I am nothing but logical at all times.   
      
    *Do Google/Samsung SIMULTANEOUSLY fully support more than one release at a   
   time?*   
      
   [continued in next message]   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)