XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   XPost: comp.mobile.ipad   
   From: andrew@spam.net   
      
   Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 07:39:51 -0000 (UTC) :   
      
   > See?   
      
   What I see is Apple touts safety & security that doesn't exist.   
      
   > You don't even understand the vulnerability.   
      
   What you're saying, Chris, is that Apple lied because you're saying that   
   Apple has no control over the safety and security of the apps people use.   
      
   > Yet you're happy to freely blame Apple.   
      
   Answer this question without resorting to lies, please, Chris:   
   Q: Does Apple tout the safety & security of iOS and macOS or not?   
   A: Yes or No   
      
   > Apple haven't used anything here.   
      
   Xcode is Apple software, Chris.   
      
   > It is third party developers who used a   
   > utility that made life easier for them to support *their* apps.   
      
   They used Apple's recommended methods of development, Chris.   
      
   > These apps then are deployed into the Apple ecosystem.   
      
   Answer this simple yet logically sensible question please:   
   Q: Did vulnerability researchers find this pervasive flaw, or not?   
   A: Yes or No   
      
   > Apple haven't used it, cannot check and have no responsibility for what   
   > tools developers use in creating their apps.   
      
   Simply answer this sensibly logical question then, please, Chris:   
   Q: If researchers could find this flaw, could Apple have found it?   
   A: Yes or No   
      
   >> It perpetuated itself deeper and has caused   
   >> security problems now. That¢s on Apple.   
   >   
   > That's like blaming Ford for a flaw in Continental tyres.   
      
   Apple advertises safety & security.   
      
   Zealots are claiming that safety & security is impossible on Apple products   
   because of the way millions of those Apple products are developed using   
   Apple software (Xcode).   
      
   What's no longer shocking is those who say in one breath that Apple   
   provides safety and security and yet, in the next breath these Apple   
   religious zealots claim safety & security is beyond Apple's control   
      
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