XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   XPost: comp.mobile.ipad   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2024-07-06 07:39, Andrew wrote:   
   > Why do zealots claim that Apple is incapable of finding safety & security   
   > flaws in macOS/iOS apps? (See reference cites in the sig for proof.)   
      
   No one has said that.   
      
   >   
   > The fact is Apple touts that people using their products are safe & secure.   
   > Because of the way Apple does things.   
   > Right?   
      
   Apple does tout greater safety and security.   
      
   That isn't the same as perfect safety and security.   
      
   >   
   > Today, the Apple religious zealots said that Apple has no control over the   
   > safety & security of millions of macOS & iOS apps used by Apple consumers.   
   >     (See references in the sig.)   
   >   
   > These zealots claim only researchers can find flaws in iOS/macOS apps.   
   > Not Apple.   
      
   Literally no one has claimed that.   
      
   >   
   > WTF?   
   > That makes no logical sense.   
   >   
   > a. Apple provides safety & security, yet,   
   > b. Apple can't possibly provide safety & security.   
   >   
   > Pick one please for God's sake you strange religious zealots.   
   >   
   > You can't say in one breath that Apple's ecosystem provides safety &   
   > security and in the next breath you say it's impossible to have safety and   
   > security when apps are developed in Apple's ecosystem (XCode/CocoPods).   
   >   
   > Why do these zealots claim Apple is incompetent at safety & security?   
   > (And in the next breath, they tout Apple claims safety & security?)   
   >   
   > Makes no sense.   
   >   
   > In one breath, the zealots claim the Apple ecosystem provides the users   
   > safety & security in their apps - but in the next breath - they claim that   
   > safety & security of macOS/iOS apps uses by billions of people isn't   
   > Apple's responsibility and - they claim - is beyond Apple's capability.   
   >   
   > The logical question to ask, given Apple touts safety & security, is...   
   >   
   > Q: If researchers can find these flaws in millions of iOS/macOS apps...   
   >     *then why can't Apple?*   
   > A: ?   
   >   
   > See the references in the sig where the zealots claim Apple is incompetent.   
   > But I give Apple more credit than the zealots do.   
   >   
   > Apple doesn't care about safety & security; but Apple could provide it.   
      
   So...   
      
   ...did you put your alleged "references" in your sig to make it more   
   difficult for people to address them in a reply...   
      
   ...because sigs are automatically trimmed when you hit "Reply"?   
      
   > --   
   > REFERENCE (Apple zealot posts claiming Apple is incompetent at testing):   
   > https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15620&gr   
   up=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15620   
      
   I wrote that and I stand by it.   
      
   > https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15614&gr   
   up=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15614   
      
   Chris wrote that, but it doesn't say a single word about Apple being   
   incapable of finding flaws.   
      
   > https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15614&gr   
   up=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15614   
      
   This is the same reference as the previous one. Despite not even   
   actually presenting real examples of your claim, you still had to   
   duplicate one to get more than three?   
      
   > https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15606&gr   
   up=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15606   
      
   Again, nothing in that supports your claim.   
      
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