XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   XPost: comp.mobile.ipad   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2024-07-06 07:07, Andrew wrote:   
   > Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 07:39:51 -0000 (UTC) :   
   >   
   >> See?   
   >   
   > What I see is Apple touts safety & security that doesn't exist.   
   >   
   >> You don't even understand the vulnerability.   
   >   
   > What you're saying, Chris, is that Apple lied because you're saying that   
   > Apple has no control over the safety and security of the apps people use.   
      
   Nope. That is not what he is saying at all.   
      
   >   
   >> Yet you're happy to freely blame Apple.   
   >   
   > Answer this question without resorting to lies, please, Chris:   
   > Q: Does Apple tout the safety & security of iOS and macOS or not?   
   > A: Yes or No   
      
   Yes. How is that relevant?   
      
   >   
   >> Apple haven't used anything here.   
   >   
   > Xcode is Apple software, Chris.   
      
   Yup. And this vulnerability isn't in Xcode.   
      
   >   
   >> It is third party developers who used a   
   >> utility that made life easier for them to support *their* apps.   
   >   
   > They used Apple's recommended methods of development, Chris.   
      
   Apple doesn't recommend CocoaPods.   
      
   >   
   >> These apps then are deployed into the Apple ecosystem.   
   >   
   > Answer this simple yet logically sensible question please:   
   > Q: Did vulnerability researchers find this pervasive flaw, or not?   
   > A: Yes or No   
   >   
      
   Yes. What of it?   
      
   >> Apple haven't used it, cannot check and have no responsibility for what   
   >> tools developers use in creating their apps.   
   >   
   > Simply answer this sensibly logical question then, please, Chris:   
   > Q: If researchers could find this flaw, could Apple have found it?   
   > A: Yes or No   
      
   Yes. What of it?   
      
   >   
   >>> It perpetuated itself deeper and has caused   
   >>> security problems now. That�s on Apple.   
   >>   
   >> That's like blaming Ford for a flaw in Continental tyres.   
   >   
   > Apple advertises safety & security.   
      
   >   
   > Zealots are claiming that safety & security is impossible on Apple products   
   > because of the way millions of those Apple products are developed using   
   > Apple software (Xcode).   
      
   Ummmmmm... that is a flat-out lie.   
      
   Which from you is utterly unsurprising.   
      
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