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   From: ithinkiam@gmail.com   
      
   On 25/07/2024 21:52, Andrew wrote:   
   > Jolly Roger wrote on 25 Jul 2024 19:22:24 GMT :   
   >   
   >>>> You're simply guessing. I'm using logic.  They're different logical   
   >>>> algorithms.   
   >>>   
   >>> Nope. You're guessing just as much as JR.   
   >>>   
   >>> The facts - and we know you like them, but never look for them - are   
   >>> that there are many convictions on a depressingly regular basis. Just   
   >>> look at the press releases from the DoJ Project Safe Childhood:   
   >>> https://www.justice.gov/psc/press-room   
   >>   
   >> My statements aren't guesses. There have been plenty of convictions.   
      
   Apologies JR, I'm agreeing with you.   
      
   >> Unfortunately, there have also been privacy violations of innocent   
   >> people. And that's my primary concern when it comes to CSAM scanning.   
   >   
   > Chris just lied about convictions.   
   > Why did Chris lie?   
      
   Given I was responding to your claim of "ZERO convictions"...   
      
    > On 2024-07-24, Andrew  wrote:   
    >> Jolly Roger wrote on 24 Jul 2024 15:48:22 GMT :   
    >>   
    >>>> For all that is in the news stories, it could be ZERO convictions   
    >>>> resulted.   
    >>>   
    >>> It's nowhere near zero.   
    >>   
    >> It's probably zero given it's the most important metric.   
    >   
    > It's not zero. Not even close.   
      
   ...there is no lie on my part.   
      
   > I don't know why Chris lied.   
   > All I know is that Chris lied.   
   >   
   > I suspect Chris felt the need to lie because he had no valid point.   
   > The cite Chris listed said NOTHING whatsoever about the conviction rate.   
      
   Nor did you make any reference to a rate. You're getting your little   
   mind confused.   
      
   Given the evidence that lots of people are being convicted of CSAM then   
   the rate is also non-zero. We'll never know exactly as the relationship   
   between the number of images disclosed by google et al is not directly   
   linear to the number of convictions for a wide variety of reasons such   
   as false positives, national borders, lack of traceability, size of   
   image collection by the criminals, seriousness of crimes, etc.   
      
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