XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad   
   XPost: comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: andrew@spam.net   
      
   Tom Elam wrote on Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:22:05 -0400 :   
      
   >> What other forms of 2FA can we give Apple to log into new Apple accounts?   
   >   
   > You can use a Security Key too. No phone number required.   
      
   Thank you for helping to answer the question as that's the adult thing to   
   do (whereas most people are simply trying to deny what Apple clearly does).   
   a. Apple requires 2FA for all new Apple IDs, and,   
   b. Apple will not allow you to remove it   
      (for the rest of your life!)   
      
   Can you explain how this Security Key works when your phone is an Android   
   phone and your tablet is an iOS iPad?   
      
   The Security Key you speak of might solve the problem of not being able to   
   log into your Apple ID for the rest of your life without having to also   
   carry around your Android phone just to log into your iPads.   
      
   Can you tell us more about this "Security Key" mechanism?   
      
   Can it be used to log into your Apple ID on your iPad without having to   
   carry around your Android phone with you for the rest of your life?   
      
   > I fail to see a problem.   
      
   It's simple, and since you suggested Security Key, you probably can   
   understand my simple explanation of 'what the problem is below...   
      
   1. Apple forces you to divulge your most private information.   
      (Which Apple permanently saves for the rest of your natural life.)   
   2. Worse - 2FA is mandatory & it can't be removed (for new Apple IDs).   
      (No other operating system vendor murders privacy like Apple does)   
   3. Even worse, you now have to keep your Android device with you   
      (for the rest of your life!) just to log into your Apple device!   
      
   Do you "see the problem" yet?   
      
   > Online we give out email addresses, phone   
   > numbers, addresses, SSN, and many other identifying details to obtain   
   > all kinds of services.   
      
   You do. I don't.   
      
   > All that is a risk of a hack. Why are you picking   
   > on Apple? Why not your Quicken, your bank, brokerage house, Western   
   > Union, the IRS, Amazon and so, so, many more?   
      
   See above. I'm not "picking on Apple" when only Apple does this.   
   No other common consumer operating system vendor does this.   
      
   Only Apple.   
      
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