XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad   
   XPost: comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: andrew@spam.net   
      
   Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Sep 2024 02:43:25 GMT :   
      
   > Nothing I said was untrue.   
   > That's why you are trying to move the goal post now.   
      
   The point of this thread has always been to find out if it's even possible   
   to log into a new Apple device with a new Apple ID WITHOUT having to carry   
   your Android phone with you to do it (for the rest of your life!).   
      
   You may hate that goal - but that's the goal whether or not you hate it.   
      
   What matters isn't that you repeatedly lied because you *hate* not only the   
   fact that only Apple requires an Apple account just to turn the device into   
   a usable device, but that this required account *must* have permanent 2FA   
   (which can never be removed).   
      
   Note what's very different with Apple (which is what you seem to *hate*).   
   1. *Only Apple requires an account( just to make the phone functional, and,   
   2. *Only Apple requires that (new) account to be permanent 2FA*.   
      
   No other common consumer operating system vendor murders privacy like that.   
   a. You're forced to give Apple your very private Android phone number, and,   
   b. You need to carry Android with you, forever, just to log into the iPad.   
      
   That you lie this isn't the situation (even as it is) is the clearest   
   indicator that you simply *hate* what Apple is - as that's what Apple does.   
      
   What you *hate* is the fact that you can't ever again log into your Apple   
   ID without *also* having to carry your Android phone around with you   
   (as is the case with many who have Android phones & Apple tablets).   
      
   If there is another way to log into an Apple device *without* having to   
   also always carry around an Android phone to do it, let me know please.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)