XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: newyana@invalid.nospam   
      
   On 9/23/2024 9:00 PM, -hh wrote:   
      
   >>>   It's about privacy like Google Docs is about privacy. Once it's   
   >>> on the cloud they have legal rights to it. And the default setting for   
   >>> iCloud encryption is that they handle it for you, so that you don't   
   >>> have to be responsible.   
   >>   
   >> Really? You can produce the passage from Apple's terms and conditions   
   >> that supports that, can you?   
   >   
   >   
   > I'd like to see that claim substantiated too.   
   >   
      
   The two of you demonstrate my point, trying hard to find   
   excuses to not know the facts.   
      
   "Standard data protection is the default setting for your account.   
   Your iCloud data is encrypted, the encryption keys are secured in   
   Apple data centers so we can help you with data recovery, and   
   only certain data is end-to-end encrypted."   
      
   Translation: Apple have your data.   
      
   https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651   
      
   > For it sounds to me like what Newyana2 is suggesting is effectively:   
   > "Google does this, so everyone else has to be doing the same thing too."   
   >   
      Apple is as bad as Google, but that wasn't my point. The point was   
   that any cloud is giving up rights to your data, whether that's Apple,   
   Google, MSO 365, Adobe rentals, gmail, etc.   
      
      In that you demonstrate my other point -- that Apple devotees   
   think they're in competition. No one's competing with you. No one cares   
   that you love Macs.   
      
      It's simply a fact that all of these companies are generally exploitive.   
   Apple is not a fairy tale company that's somehow above the fray. They   
   exploit virtual slave labor, run an ad business, lie about privacy...   
   They were   
   fined just last year in France for spying on iPhones. The info is out there.   
   It's up to you whether you want to know.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)