XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: recscuba_google@huntzinger.com   
      
   On 9/23/24 10:31 PM, Newyana2 wrote:   
   > On 9/23/2024 9:00 PM, -hh wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>  It's about privacy like Google Docs is about privacy. Once it's   
   >>>> on the cloud they have legal rights to it. And the default setting for   
   >>>> iCloud encryption is that they handle it for you, so that you don't   
   >>>> have to be responsible.   
   >>>   
   >>> Really? You can produce the passage from Apple's terms and conditions   
   >>> that supports that, can you?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> I'd like to see that claim substantiated too.   
   >>   
   >   
   > The two of you demonstrate my point, trying hard to find   
   > excuses to not know the facts.   
   >   
   > "Standard data protection is the default setting for your account.   
   > Your iCloud data is encrypted, the encryption keys are secured in   
   > Apple data centers so we can help you with data recovery, and   
   > only certain data is end-to-end encrypted."   
   >   
   > Translation: Apple have your data.   
   >   
   > https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651   
      
      
   Except that it wasn't in contention that Apple has one's data.   
      
   What was in contention was your claim that Apple is like Google, in   
   claiming unlimited legal rights to it  (e.g. "we can do whatever we damn   
   well please with your data").   
      
   Now the above language doesn't say that for Apple so please try again to   
   substantiate your assertion that Apple is free to do whatever they want.   
      
   FYI, the above Apple language says that their use is functionally   
   restricted to just helping the customer in data recovery.   
      
      
      
   >> For it sounds to me like what Newyana2 is suggesting is effectively:   
   >> "Google does this, so everyone else has to be doing the same thing too."   
   >   
   >   Apple is as bad as Google, but that wasn't my point. The point was   
   > that any cloud is giving up rights to your data, whether that's Apple,   
   > Google, MSO 365, Adobe rentals, gmail, etc.   
      
   Depends entirely on the contract, and your claim that one has given up   
   significant rights to Apple for their services remains unsubstantiated:   
      
   the above Apple language functionally says that they've taken on the   
   obligation of encrypting it, and that their use rights are to help the   
   customer for data recovery.  If they're asserting other use rights as   
   you've suggested, they're not listed here ... so where are these listed?   
     Cite, please.   
      
      
   -hh   
      
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